From: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/22] mm: page allocator: Allocate/free order-0 pages from a per-zone magazine
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 16:21:09 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0000013e8a189d6a-efcf99b5-c620-4882-8faf-8187ec243b2c-000000@email.amazonses.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130509152318.GD11497@suse.de>
On Thu, 9 May 2013, Mel Gorman wrote:
> >
> > The per cpu structure access also would not need to disable irq if the
> > fast path would be using this_cpu ops.
> >
>
> How does this_cpu protect against preemption due to interrupt? this_read()
> itself only disables preemption and it's explicitly documented that
> interrupt that modifies the per-cpu data will not be reliable so the use
> of the per-cpu lists is right out. It would require that a race-prone
> check be used with cmpxchg which in turn would require arrays, not lists.
this_cpu uses single atomic instructions that cannot be interrupted. The
relocation occurs through a segment prefix and therefore is not subject
to preemption. The interrupts and rescheduling can occur between this_cpu
ops and there races would have to be dealt with. True using cmpxchg (w/o
lock semantics) is not that easy. But that is the fastest solution that I
know of.
> I don't see how as the page allocator does not control the physical location
> of any pages freed to it and it's the struct pages it is linking together. On
> some systems at least with 1G pages, the struct pages will be backed by
> memory mapped with 1G entries so the TLB pressure should be reduced but
> the cache pressure from struct page modifications is certainly a problem.
I would be useful if the allocator would hand out pages from the
same physical area first. This would reduce fragmentation as well and
since it is likely that numerous pages are allocated for some purpose
(given that that the page sizes of 4k are rather tiny compared to the data
needs these day) would reduce TLB pressure.
> > > > 3. The magazine_lock is potentially hot but it can be split to have
> > > one lock per CPU socket to reduce contention. Draining the lists
> > > in this case would acquire multiple locks be acquired.
> >
> > IMHO the use of per cpu RMV operations would be lower latency than the use
> > of spinlocks. There is no "lock" prefix overhead with those. Page
> > allocation is a frequent operation that I would think needs to be as fast
> > as possible.
>
> The memory requirements may be large because those per-cpu areas sized are
> allocated depending on num_possible_cpus()s. Correct? Regardless of their
Yes. But we have lots of memory in machines these days. Why would that be
an issue?
> size, it would still be required to deal with cpu hot-plug to avoid memory
> leaks and draining them would still require global IPIs so the overall
> code complexity would be similar to what exists today. Ultimately all that
> changes is that we use an array+cmpxchg instead of a list which will shave
> a small amount of latency but it will still be regularly falling back to
> the buddy lists and contend on the zone->lock due the limited size of the
> per-cpu magazines and hiding the advantage of using cmpxchg in the noise.
The latency would be an order of magnitude less than the approach that you
propose here. The magazine approach and the lockless approach both will
require slowpaths that replenish the set of pages to be served next.
The problem with the page allocator is that it can serve various types of
pages. If one wants to setup caches for all of those then these caches are
replicated for each processor or whatever higher unit we decide to use. I
think one of the first moves need to be to identify which types of pages
are actually useful to serve in a fast way. Higher order pages are already
out but what about the different zone types, migration types etc?
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-05-08 16:02 [RFC PATCH 00/22] Per-cpu page allocator replacement prototype Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 01/22] mm: page allocator: Lookup pageblock migratetype with IRQs enabled during free Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 02/22] mm: page allocator: Push down where IRQs are disabled during page free Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 03/22] mm: page allocator: Use unsigned int for order in more places Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 04/22] mm: page allocator: Only check migratetype of pages being drained while CMA active Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 05/22] oom: Use number of online nodes when deciding whether to suppress messages Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 06/22] mm: page allocator: Convert hot/cold parameter and immediate callers to bool Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 07/22] mm: page allocator: Do not lookup the pageblock migratetype during allocation Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 08/22] mm: page allocator: Remove the per-cpu page allocator Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 09/22] mm: page allocator: Allocate/free order-0 pages from a per-zone magazine Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 18:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-05-09 15:23 ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-09 16:21 ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2013-05-09 17:27 ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-09 18:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 10/22] mm: page allocator: Allocate and free pages from magazine in batches Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 11/22] mm: page allocator: Shrink the magazine to the migratetypes in use Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 12/22] mm: page allocator: Remove knowledge of hot/cold from page allocator Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 13/22] mm: page allocator: Use list_splice to refill the magazine Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:02 ` [PATCH 14/22] mm: page allocator: Do not disable IRQs just to update stats Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:03 ` [PATCH 15/22] mm: page allocator: Check if interrupts are enabled only once per allocation attempt Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:03 ` [PATCH 16/22] mm: page allocator: Remove coalescing improvement heuristic during page free Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:03 ` [PATCH 17/22] mm: page allocator: Move magazine access behind accessors Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:03 ` [PATCH 18/22] mm: page allocator: Split magazine lock in two to reduce contention Mel Gorman
2013-05-09 15:21 ` Dave Hansen
2013-05-15 19:44 ` Andi Kleen
2013-05-08 16:03 ` [PATCH 19/22] mm: page allocator: Watch for magazine and zone lock contention Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:03 ` [PATCH 20/22] mm: page allocator: Hold magazine lock for a batch of pages Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:03 ` [PATCH 21/22] mm: compaction: Release free page list under a batched magazine lock Mel Gorman
2013-05-08 16:03 ` [PATCH 22/22] mm: page allocator: Drain magazines for direct compact failures Mel Gorman
2013-05-09 15:41 ` [RFC PATCH 00/22] Per-cpu page allocator replacement prototype Dave Hansen
2013-05-09 16:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-05-09 17:33 ` Mel Gorman
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