From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64866B1D for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 04:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com (aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2B9E201AA for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 04:01:37 +0000 (UTC) To: Dan Williams From: "Martin K. Petersen" References: <1400925225.6956.25.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> <20140525222923.GW15585@mwanda> <1401119598.3303.6.camel@dabdike> <1401224020.14454.92.camel@dabdike> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 00:01:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Dan Williams's message of "Wed, 28 May 2014 16:25:05 -0700") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: James Bottomley , Dan Carpenter , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >>>>> "Dan" == Dan Williams writes: Dan, Dan> Isn't the fundamental problem: Dan> HW Vendor: "Are you saying you may hold up driver updates for an Dan> indefinite period of time?" Dan> Kernel community: "Yes" There's a big difference between a driver bug fix and "value added" features that are deemed too ugly to be included upstream. Dan> HW Vendor: "Ok, we'll keep sending our official updates direct to Dan> customers as an out-of-tree tarball and let that 'upstream-thing' Dan> happen in the background." Well, and thus forcing the customer to void their distro support. I don't think that's doing anyone a favor. -- Martin K. Petersen Oracle Linux Engineering