From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62D5FB9E for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 20:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.suse.de (mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8451B293 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 20:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:29:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: Takashi Iwai To: Linus Torvalds In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: ksummit , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Ingo Molnar , Dave Airlie , Doug Ledford , David Miller Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] "Maintainer summit" invitation discussion List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:13:37 +0200, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 20:59:37 +0200, > > Linus Torvalds wrote: > >> > >> Some driver subsystems may be huge (eg media and sound), but I > >> don't know if they have issues. Mauro/Takashi? > > > > In the sound area, majority of commits come from Mark Brown's ASoC > > tree nowadays, and he should be included. Mark is already in your > > list, so we're covered pretty well by that. > > Ok. I don't know how many from that top-50 list we actually would be > able to have. > > Not only do I think that we should try to limit it to maybe ~35 people > (random number taken out of thin air, but feels small enough that > people could basically just do it in a smaller room and keep things > personal), but the list is just the 50 kernel maintainer side. > > And there's another important side to this if we can make it work: the > *users* of the kernel. Notably I'd really like to have kernel leads > from the main distros, ie Android, Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu. > > I think that when we talk about process pain points, we definitely > need to have downstream involved. Greg is there with his stable > maintainer hat on too, but he's still "ours". > > It would be really good to have whoever is in charge of the Android > kernel there (not manager, but tech lead), and not make it a blame > game, but really try to also talk about how we could perhaps bridge > that gap somehow. > > I'm not sure who those people actually are, but I suspect this list > contains people who can point to each tech lead.. I think it's Laura > Abbott for Fedora, for example? Well, if we think of the downstream, stable kernel maintainers play a big role. There is not only Greg, but there are a few others. For example, in the case of SUSE, the branch maintainers (Jiri Kosina, Michal Marek and me) are in your list, so it's good. But, we take fairly a big amount of changes through Jiri Slaby's 3.12.x stable tree for SLE12 (up to SP1). I guess other distros have such an aspect depending on the kernel versions they base on. > > Do you plan it to be attached with some major conference, or as a > > stand-alone one? > > Oh, I was just assuming people were aware of the kernel summit <-> > maintainer summit thing. Yeah, sorry, I noticed that later after my reply. A typical knee-jerk post. > So this would be the maintainer side of the traditional kernel summit. > > This year it would be October in Prague, co-located with the European > ELC / LinuxCon / OpenSourceSummit thing. Alright, thanks. Takashi