From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D7CC1F5E8 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 864D0C433C7; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:32:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1695065530; bh=fgoIlk2owzQ8mKC78potAed7ErOYTJkJDsj1NPK+RKQ=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Cp/+73do1FjeYXRL775Cfa0+aQWYlIbQFf1HwMph08nVFgbGfVy6uvRxWj6BqNJRZ PSfLLQd9hxCrf4O5d5LZ75n8kqm/9Syb1orHlHFiMmLuKuS+HHB+7UOU7SDvxUBYXI KLiEfAmNoypZjH7BzJ5DdHz1ibFMWAeJyW2WdujnKJpNWYJjcPLcrvXzJKnf2kKEgS 0QFlLhZEf601CsUyxZ/RBnn4TcxBLXg20zzgRa9i9YGskgO8p09qJYme8csGdE/2/h hEgfzCyTGI1juL5Q7JhnZH3iGh8c7ZzIWoiqRbHMz6IZBGOpNFlivS1EZoAZY+cLcW qhKbQuBonycDw== Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:32:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Jiri Kosina To: Linus Torvalds cc: Jan Kara , Theodore Ts'o , NeilBrown , James Bottomley , Dave Chinner , Eric Sandeen , Steven Rostedt , Guenter Roeck , Christoph Hellwig , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20230907071801.1d37a3c5@gandalf.local.home> <169491481677.8274.17867378561711132366@noble.neil.brown.name> <20230917185742.GA19642@mit.edu> <20230918111402.7mx3wiecqt5axvs5@quack3> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LSU 202 2017-01-01) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 Sep 2023, Linus Torvalds wrote: > But mmap() is *not* important for a filesystem that is used just for > data transport. I bet that FAT is still widely used, for example, and > while exFAT is probably making inroads, I suspect most of us have used a > USB stick with a FAT filesystem on it in the not too distant past. Yet I > doubt we'd have ever even noticed if 'mmap' didn't work on FAT. Because > all you really want for data transport is basic read/write support. I am afraid this is not reflecting reality. I am pretty sure that "give me that document on a USB stick, and I'll take a look" leads to using things like libreoffice (or any other editor liked by general public) to open the file directly on the FAT USB stick. And that's pretty much guaranteed to use mmap(). -- Jiri Kosina SUSE Labs