From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 391BD26D6 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 21:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8817826 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 21:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:31:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Jiri Kosina To: Greg KH In-Reply-To: <20190708151040.GB1548@kroah.com> Message-ID: References: <20190703013557.GQ11506@sasha-vm> <20190705164142.GC20625@sirena.org.uk> <20190705201231.GI10104@sasha-vm> <20190706003214.GE20625@sirena.org.uk> <20190708110208.GN10104@sasha-vm> <20190708123733.GC8576@sirena.org.uk> <102219fd-4ba0-e1ff-b2e3-9a0a43392c4c@roeck-us.net> <20190708151040.GB1548@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] stable kernel process automation and improvement List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Mon, 8 Jul 2019, Greg KH wrote: > Well, I think the conversation will go just like it has in the past for > this issue: > "We need to have someone track regressions!" > "X said they would do it but they need to be paid, any company > willing to sponsor this?" > {crickets} SUSE has actually been funding this for quite some time (back when Rafael was doing it), but it's really tricky. We of course realize it's very important long-term activity, from which everybody profits. At the same time, you need somebody who *really deeply* understands everything inside and around the kernel development, otherwise you get more harm and chaos than added value out of the whole excercise. And if you have such a person (like we had Rafael), it's unlikely that person would want to do that work forever, and the funding company is also losing brainpower in other, more development-related areas (like PM in Rafael's case) at the same time. So it's not as simple as "hey, you, company making money on linux, go pay someone to do this". If I remember correctly (Rafael for sure would remember better), there were some attempts to have the regression tracking made by someone much more juniorish, but that person got of course immediately overwhelmed. Thanks, -- Jiri Kosina SUSE Labs