From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7767E8F for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.suse.de (mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73260A8 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:15:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Jiri Kosina To: Greg KH In-Reply-To: <20180905130512.GA5601@kroah.com> Message-ID: References: <5c9c41b2-14f9-41cc-ae85-be9721f37c86@redhat.com> <20180904213340.GD16300@sasha-vm> <20180905081658.GB24902@quack2.suse.cz> <1536141525.8121.2.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180905104700.GE9781@sirena.org.uk> <6a25761a-c640-4eb2-952c-4bcd91da28a2@email.android.com> <20180905130512.GA5601@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: James Bottomley , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Stable trees and release time List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, Greg KH wrote: > For these specific ones, I trusted that the maintainer of the subsystem > knew what they were doing when they marked them for the stable tree. And do you honestly think they should be marked for stable tree in the first place? > Which is what we do in kernel development, we trust others that their > stewardship of their code subsystems is in the best interest of their > users. Sure, I wholeheartedly agree. For Linus' tree, all the web of trust is there so that changes can be propagated up the maintainership structure, and we trust the maintainers and developers that they did all the development and testing as well as they possibly could, and that eventual bugs in the code will be responsibly fixed. For stable, there is another aspect that needs to be trusted -- that the relevance for stable has been properly considered, so that we ideally avoid the need for "eventual bugs will be fixed" much more pro-actively than in Linus' tree (that's "stable", right?). And I think we simply could improve there (well, again, this all very much depends on the target audience I guess). *Especially* with the automatic selection thing -- who exactly is the entity you trust there? -- Jiri Kosina SUSE Labs