From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FB7E2E418; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 12:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="UmN/Lnff" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7F5CC433C9; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 12:14:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1699359243; bh=8O3YfSKR0ri2R4khmrLtRw7qDFvFMkV3jy4Nwxy8h9c=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=UmN/Lnff0tbqFaNVnHUS1zZV0nVv0juTdpoakgmp/VA/hB8n4pYOX2VETzyFYJYmo 8rt7JcIAec63xBCFGxIE4IQuEmHEY2s87OaKPiJ5s5emcNbmZop9o1/Fpk9lrFu7ns nIiu6j2lPgbbMw0jorw1ZxkPZIpxJXYf+nrtRhC+4cS+KfBkCmxf/0+C8MWoxrUIU+ Cs8HSuDgMcCB9lv6QCWjqkTU+vaeXtNMOlgRTwR15c5Ab6u8TJSee9LfJsmCB5V3p6 jjnQRVo2qoaL8a89c56Dg3PF0myCv1HHOaIJGQXgBDLFL6vrpHwHWhLM6f9egZP//R rgtPCW57IBx/A== From: Pratyush Yadav To: Laurent Pinchart Cc: Paolo Bonzini , Pavel Machek , Konstantin Ryabitsev , users@linux.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: RFC: switching "THE REST" in MAINTAINERS away from linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20231107101513.GB27932@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (Laurent Pinchart's message of "Tue, 7 Nov 2023 12:15:13 +0200") References: <20231106-venomous-raccoon-of-wealth-acc57c@nitro> <34eda1fe-0e14-4f12-b472-d152eadb7b88@redhat.com> <20231107101513.GB27932@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2023 13:14:01 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, Nov 07 2023, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 10:18:58AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote: >> On 11/6/23 23:52, Pavel Machek wrote: >> >> For this reason, I propose switching the "F: *" entry in MAINTAINERS >> >> ("THE REST") topatches@lists.linux.dev instead. This list differs from LKML >> >> in the following important aspects: >> > >> > How many patches are in "the rest" area? I don't think it is that >> > many, and I believe those should be broadcasted, as it is not clear >> > who should handle them. And lkml seems to be reasonable place for them >> > at the moment. >> >> Indeed, I suspect that a lot of the traffic to LKML does not come from >> "THE REST", but rather from people using a git-send-email configuration like >> >> [sendemail] >> to = linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org FWIW, I do not have this nor have I seen any of my colleagues ever have this in their config. In the patches I send, lkml always comes from get_maintainers.pl. > > Do we document this as being a recommended git-send-email configuration > ? That sounds horrible :-( Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst > states > > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org should be used by default for all > patches, but the volume on that list has caused a number of developers > to tune it out. Please do not spam unrelated lists and unrelated > people, though. > > This should be updated, even if for the only reason that the text is > quite confusing (in my opinion at least, I'm not sure if it means LKML > should be used for all patches, or shouldn't). > > To give another data point, balancing a bit the replies that expressed > surprise at Konstantin's point that LKML is generally seen as useless > for holding actual discussions, I do not follow LKML at all due to the > amount of mails that are not general discussions. It drowns the useful > information in noise for me. Yes, same for me. In general, I find the mail volume on LKML to be too large for me to subscribe to it. Of late I have been relying more and more on public-inbox and lei to read and browse kernel mail. -- Regards, Pratyush Yadav