From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24B642115 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2076EC433C7; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:17:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1692274663; bh=GukJqcD0dw6iqqpiU/fGQRPXScNmhS2kv6om0MMRsqQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=GRjc62j2e/wYuDwyKVNY1eeSUlcVQb1FJf2DFlVTsMNEGA3YyNEu0TSa2WiLRAod8 ohBYQfHKYUJjJT928CA27XxP9p4vU8wShNekusjBf54FIjLJqr0KwuuJISm9oz1Qd3 +7Q79jK2CDHUIlxRNXGPE0fFXW/or9Prj+XhVjFlZNotkckaRPPUDK4WdyK6Vxkio3 Gbv+2VgmyGYKaLgdUDUvPWv1Jn7s1tqARUbmkz5nE6DIrVHFqs4PN2CK+YP0ci2mYw ssEehz+VousWvpG7j9w3jfuGprK1Pn/cAcHHK5ZG5gWP2JvF163WyUbLk0GwutvJI0 hEDAQQhXIzgPw== Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 13:17:39 +0100 From: Mark Brown To: Jani Nikula Cc: Luis Chamberlain , Josef Bacik , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Jeff Layton , Song Liu Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Maintainer burnout Message-ID: References: <20230816180808.GB2919664@perftesting> <87ttsx98ue.fsf@intel.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HuAjra34Tj8usxm5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87ttsx98ue.fsf@intel.com> X-Cookie: Walk softly and carry a BFG-9000. --HuAjra34Tj8usxm5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 03:00:57PM +0300, Jani Nikula wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2023, Luis Chamberlain wrote: > > In so far as making it possible to get b) to help, my current excitement > > surrounds around what Song Liu mentioned to me at LSFMM and then > > quickly demonstrated that the eBPF folks are doing with patchwork. > > Get the patches to be tested automatically, and *immediately* > > patch reviewers and maintainers can get feedback if something is not even > > worth reviewing. > I'm all for automated testing and CI, and all i915 patches get tested > before merging. But requiring everything to pass before a human so much > as looks at it can be incredibly demotivating for contributors. For > example, if they polish the contribution, and take all corner cases into > consideration to pass the tests... and then get told their design is all > wrong and needs to be redone from scratch. It's a balance. Indeed, and you're relying on your test automation being robust, the results being available promptly and the results being comprehensible if people can't readily run the tests themselves. That said I read the above as more providing results so people can look at them rather than gating looking at things (eg, if everything is failing it's probably fine to not bother) - that seems a lot more reasonable. --HuAjra34Tj8usxm5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAmTeD+IACgkQJNaLcl1U h9C/uAf9HY5nQPMd0ZrlaRRZSIMqow/6fsaYE2/ivdRVTu5kuwvg0gEs7FmDhjy3 4Q4jciJzFzMRrXvTbKaXeroK+GkMnAgiqk1iWSszzIWIwg3IBTbgLc6318XsJG0j DTs2z4fr+NUmkNt0SJfhfxDwWIK9/XjqpXkyONc56y964p+dl3wBaHUnvMzwmj9y 3zOpgBF6xGhgFWMMAvgTkMqwT+hK1K78Mg2FGsr11GU+QsDH+/JEquRcxfPZ4I+d WSCf6UjM14h4uX6HlyttcqXTFs7sEDVXvmOOifMm/4XHm39EkdhRhYpem8ooD9nf tIeopioO0StiK1JyaiyzIc5ENJzqWw== =5sUC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HuAjra34Tj8usxm5--