Re: [TECH TOPIC] regressions: our workflows are the biggest enemy

["Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>]

* Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info> [240612 12:08]:
> On 12.06.24 17:50, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> > On 6/12/24 08:26, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 08:34:42 +0200
> >> Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The talk among others will describe why some workflow patterns are what
> >>> frequently leads to regressions -- and why they are also a factor why
> >>> some subsystems fix regression quickly, while others take weeks or
> >>> months to resolve.
> >>
> >> The above looks more than a TECH TOPIC.
> 
> Stuff for the maintainers summit is still in my editor.
> 
> >> If you have real numbers that point out workflows that are an issue,
> 
> No, I sadly do not. And they would be flawed anyway, as there are many
> regressions I never become aware of -- and it's not really possible to
> determine from commits if they were fixing a regression or not. So it
> could easily be possible that I only see the bad cases and miss out on a
> lot of cases that a subsystem handles well. Not to mention that I
> currently miss out on a most DRM bugs, as they use a external bug
> tracker. Regzbot can monitor that now, but I have no easy means to
> become aware of regressions reported there. The idea was to start vising
> a handful of issue trackers every day or two and use a boring search,
> but as of now that's still an unrealized plan.
> 
> >> I think this should be discussed
> >> at Maintainers Summit, and perhaps we should start "encouraging" people
> >> to change their workflows. Especially if we have hard data showing
> >> that it's not working.

That would limit the number of people who can see this discussion as not
all maintainers are at the Maintainers Summit.  I suspect that the ones
that are not at the Maintainers Summit will be the same ones who will
benefit most from workflow "encouraging".

Although, I'm a little concerned about what I'm singing up for here...

Thanks,
Liam