Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code!

From: Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy6545@gmail.com>, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code!
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 08:12:27 -0400	[thread overview]
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On 5/30/19 10:42 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> I'd be interested to know how this compares to Dawn Foster's work that was presented last year: https://ossna18.sched.com/event/FAON/kernel-mailing-list-collaboration-dawn-m-foster-the-scale-factory
> 

I saw Dawn Fosters's talk a few times. Dawn Foster's work was focused more on properties
effecting communication (companies, time zones etc.) than communication style
from what I remember. I don't think actual sentiment behind the e-mails was
covered much. (I could also only be remembering the graphs I saw)

Thanks,
Laura

> On Thu., May 30, 2019, 22:15 Theodore Ts'o, <tytso@mit.edu <mailto:tytso@mit.edu>> wrote:
> 
>     On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 04:19:20PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote:
>      > We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? How
>      > effective are we in communicating with each other?
>      >
>      > I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to
>      > get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we
>      > could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or not
>      > we talk in code while we talk code.
>      >
>      > We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Computer
>      > Engineering, Polytechnique Montréal to tell us about Sentimine,
>      > which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing
>      > communication in open source communities. It will include a short survey
>      > focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception.
> 
>     Hi Shuah,
> 
>     If the goal is to get Isabella's ideas more exposure, perhaps it would
>     be better to ask if she would be willing to give a presentation at the
>     more open Kernel Summit track during the LPC?
> 
>     It would appear that it's fairly early days for her work, from doing
>     some web searching, the only thing I could really find was her 2019
>     Open Source Leadership Summit presentations (slides here[1]) and the
>     more formal academic paper[2].
> 
>     [1] https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/OSS_Summit_Presentation.pdf
>     [2] http://mcis.polymtl.ca/publications/2019/SEMotion_2019.pdf
> 
>     As near as I can tell the talk was not video recorded; which is a
>     shame, since I wasn't able to pick up from the slide presentation the
>     same kind of excitement that you clearly have over her work.  I was
>     also very confused about how cregit (which analyzes code) mentioned in
>     the last two slides relates to the work described in the first 80% of
>     the slide deck, which appears to be analyzing mailing list text.
> 
>     I'd also think that if the goal is to have a conversation about
>     communication styles, having that discussion with a wider circle might
>     be more productive.  Or did you have something in mind about some
>     decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit?
> 
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