From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.com>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Annotating patches containing AI-assisted code
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2025 16:42:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d3fc52c9-e3af-401d-8691-c0cf268012a2@paulmck-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aJp7LbfETVBH5L0A@bombadil.infradead.org>
On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 04:22:21PM -0700, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 03:51:48PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 03:11:47PM -0700, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> > > b) seems kind of too late
> >
> > Why?
>
> One cannot assume at this point AI generated code has not been merged
> into any large scale open source project.
I agree that it is quite possible that AI-generated code has already been
merged into large-scale open-source projects, including the Linux kernel.
I do not see why this possibility requires us to merge AI-generated code
in the future.
> I am also not sure it can be stopped.
As noted below, nothing is bullet proof.
> > > c) If something like the Generated-by tag is used, and we trust it, then
> > > if we do want to side against merging AI generated code, that's perhaps our
> > > only chance at blocking that type of code. Its however not bullet proof.
> >
> > Nothing is bullet proof. ;-)
>
> Agreed, and I think the legal concerns over AI code use are just as weak. I
> just don't see it holidng up long term.
That is quite possible. But on what are you basing that legal opinion?
Also, even if you have a valid legal opinion that stands up long-term,
situations that prove to be just fine in the long term can be extremely
uncomfortable in the meantime.
> My expectations are that eventually foundation AI models will simply state they
> use permissively licensed code for training, and be done with these concerns.
>
> Until then -- we just have wild speculations and I can't see any
> sensible case ending up in court wanting to avoid AI code in open source.
I don't know about open source, but they tell me that related cases are
already in court. Yes, there was a recent decision that was favorable
to your position, which is great, but not necessarily either definitive
or final.
> > At the same time, I have no idea whether or not a Generated-by tag is
> > a good idea.
>
> I do that to make it crystal clear for a project maintainer when I use it.
I understand and sympathize with your intent, but I do not have an
informed opinion on the risks in either direction.
Thanx, Paul
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Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-05 15:38 Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 17:50 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 18:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:16 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 21:53 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 22:41 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 22:06 ` Alexandre Belloni
2025-08-05 18:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-08 8:31 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-11 21:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 21:57 ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-11 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-11 22:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:54 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-11 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:28 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-12 15:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:03 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 16:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:17 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 17:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 17:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:11 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 22:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 23:22 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 23:42 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2025-08-12 0:02 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-12 2:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:41 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 16:27 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 22:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:54 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-21 11:46 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-12 8:38 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-12 13:15 ` Bird, Tim
2025-08-12 14:31 ` Greg KH
2025-08-18 21:12 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 14:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-18 21:07 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 15:23 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 16:16 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 17:30 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 17:36 ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-21 18:01 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:45 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 21:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 21:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 17:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 18:32 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-22 7:55 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-08-21 20:38 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 21:18 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 20:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 17:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 18:32 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 15:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 19:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-18 19:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 19:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 19:47 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 22:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-06 8:17 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-08-06 10:13 ` Mark Brown
2025-08-12 14:36 ` Ben Dooks
2025-09-15 18:01 ` Kees Cook
2025-09-15 18:29 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-16 15:36 ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 9:39 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-09-16 15:31 ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 14:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 15:00 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-16 15:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 16:06 ` Luck, Tony
2025-09-16 16:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-16 23:30 ` Kees Cook
2025-09-17 15:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-17 17:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
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