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From: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
To: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 20:07:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf96f345-50ec-e3bc-b2a7-4769b7891a9e@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZPkdxMh7jt5A7x67@debian.me>

On 9/6/23 17:48, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
[ ... ]
>> Case in point: After this e-mail, I tried playing with a few file systems.
>> The most interesting exercise was with ntfsv3.
>> Create it, mount it, copy a few files onto it, remove some of them, repeat.
>> A script doing that only takes a few seconds to corrupt the file system.
>> Trying to unmount it with the current upstream typically results in
>> a backtrace and/or crash.
> 
> Did you forget to take the checksum after copying and verifying it
> when remounting the fs?
> 
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. I didn't try to remount.
The file system images in my tests are pristine, as created with mkfs, and
are marked read-only to prevent corruption. They are also md5 checksum
protected and regenerated before the test if there is a checksum mismatch.
For ntfs, the file system was created with

truncate -s 64M myfilesystem
mkfs.ntfs -F -H 1 -S 16 -p 16 myfilesystem

My tests run under qemu, and always use the -snapshot option.

The "test", if you want to call it that, is a simple

mount "${fstestdev}" /mnt
cp -a /bin /usr /sbin /etc /lib* /opt /var /mnt
rm -rf /mnt/bin
cp -a /bin /usr /sbin /etc /lib* /opt /var /mnt
umount /mnt

This is with a buildroot generated root file system. "cp -a" is a recursive
copy which copies symlinks.

If the file system is ntfs3, the rm command typically fails, complaining
that /mnt/bin is not empty. The umount command typically results in at
least a traceback, and often a crash. Repeating the cp; rm; cp sequence
multiple times quite reliably results in a file system corruption.

The resulting (corrupted or not) file system is discarded after the qemu
session.

Guenter


      reply	other threads:[~2023-09-07  3:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-30 14:07 Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-05 23:06 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-05 23:23   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-06  2:09     ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-06 15:06       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 15:59         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 19:09         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-08  8:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-07  0:46     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-09 12:50     ` James Bottomley
2023-09-09 15:44       ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-10 19:51         ` James Bottomley
2023-09-10 20:19           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10 21:15           ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-11  3:10           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-11 19:03             ` James Bottomley
2023-09-12  0:23               ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-12 16:52             ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-09 22:42       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10  8:19         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-10  8:37           ` Bernd Schubert
2023-09-10 16:35           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10 17:26             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-10 17:35               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-11  1:05         ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-11  1:29           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-11  2:07             ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-11 13:35               ` David Disseldorp
2023-09-11 17:45                 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-11 19:11                   ` David Disseldorp
2023-09-11 23:05                 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-26  5:24           ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-09-08  8:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08 22:47     ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-06 22:32 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-06 22:54   ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07  0:53     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-07  3:14       ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07  1:53     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07  2:22       ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07  2:51         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07  3:26           ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07  8:04             ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2023-09-07 10:29               ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-07 11:18                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2023-09-07 12:04                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07 12:57                   ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-07 13:56                     ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-08  8:44                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-07  3:38           ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07 11:18             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-13 16:43               ` Eric Sandeen
2023-09-13 16:58                 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-13 17:03                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-15 22:48                   ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-16 19:44                     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-16 21:50                     ` James Bottomley
2023-09-17  1:40                       ` NeilBrown
2023-09-17 17:30                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-17 18:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-17 18:57                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-17 19:45                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 11:14                               ` Jan Kara
2023-09-18 17:26                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 19:32                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2023-09-18 19:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 20:50                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-18 22:48                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 20:33                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-19  4:56                                   ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-25  9:43                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-27 22:23                                 ` Dave Kleikamp
2023-09-19  1:15                           ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-19  5:17                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 16:34                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-19 16:45                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 17:15                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 22:57                               ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-18 14:54                       ` Bill O'Donnell
2023-09-19  2:44                       ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-19 16:57                         ` James Bottomley
2023-09-25  9:38                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-25 14:14                     ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-25 16:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-07  9:48       ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-07 11:04         ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-07 11:22           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07 12:24             ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-07 11:23           ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-07 12:30             ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-12  9:50               ` Richard Biener
2023-10-23  5:19                 ` Eric Gallager
2023-09-08  8:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08  8:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08 23:21       ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07  0:48   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-07  3:07     ` Guenter Roeck [this message]

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