From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mout-xforward.gmx.net (mout-xforward.gmx.net [82.165.159.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAC0C17C1; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 07:50:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1664783380; bh=XJ3yLIRRwz1eAbA1d81tgni1urtwHc90e4KEWk3oQUY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=DAa7XT4rfj6h9vgCDbmSgVX5MeTW7tDOmqraFsr5Yu3oMmWbBc0crMuvVdUdmcMZp nIl4yKkJV+PA0mP6upl8E2vvb6JSJZe+l32okasUF/JbhEfnrfYWyPgJh+QDqj33Qj cYqQc1HV1ad1O4rSXLHVp40MVx/nY3nDw1JGMC9E= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.25.110.16] ([143.244.37.214]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M3DJl-1oeROY484L-003dqo; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:49:40 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 07:49:38 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Willy Tarreau , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Theodore Ts'o , Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg KH , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello References: <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> <20221002150522.ul4nbtfawqjhnsag@meerkat.local> <20221002205430.GC22129@1wt.eu> <20221002213235.GA22532@1wt.eu> <867b35b7-da2b-fed0-1f75-b2021d9be499@gmx.com> From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:mWPRkpUwznFoXen54lwUDHYoG8g+JNyj2hfp3ybTKUdR+tOxStu G9Apot6jK42gV9UmZ9qStUhhErPzgODzzfhHCJc6n2Z1IMSHBeNL90AKd0vCNXhZZmLwsXz Bi1dTT8NZLbVpIQfcYKazScIdY4XADEJ8CyNRTnRcfihCaRyn4BECQgBXDJIU1l3z1ai5mM IWOSfokpeCpVP0qQy2yvg== X-Spam-Flag: YES X-UI-Out-Filterresults: junk:10;V03:K0:jXndgaeEj54=:lFp3JtHHfc3F26wfGDXgRIfh N2vKHOv7I1wWc+MIxRjMAqkyu1CdwuPIuwfFO+kzR2IU3V9Lg/9I2+vWPBP6nlT/VffkR7ErC DAG/xorZ9DDx4VsACs+2gA1mHvNI8jWJYxLWJquXtdPpBmUsL91lg7LKgPfxLtd5WF1ve6upF nxkQOW+Jdec1G7nAN9I1kj97EFrpFc29bpQ/4+/7YTJfNfpmQLdLjCC7iZ9yNjncisCk3yxcB Ahzj94aqMCQNmHE/WAF1aNL8U53wMW84DhrZW2J6VtKOtebyvoS0zzfedlPDEIsZGyeaXjsw+ +D9iLMBwmuQTeLY3UhqRSatsdI+9Is47Epm2L8YjR8v4JGQy2/KqBuCfimzMuU5+DcCBIeqpd s/eG3WBxzM1Nu74XiD2Fu/fT9tjbo88pUNvecGDMnA2Tccw9SP6OCRQLKkhaUouS9jS0jZkzZ wTEoJVLqbV/QF3VEFqTWT9d/kdudqdJz95RmtZaH5rY1p0Di0zjGo1rllbZxqw40x26Dy6pN/ Xu7Ol/0G9coNxkse9rdPnWr5vHIiSjv80BEE0hLnUKYivSfFwhtiw8etmTEnjYuJ6b5VLs5y8 VuS/I0C2hnB7/fqDyW0DapbibNmuzpH0vkF1r11lvWkraCWDcmuYyg1egzu6KHF7dUM6x/Z0d rAI6I7gvEWBvjxdO3PdNYEycJLPFU+NEkgoXEQuDF+32Ay09MmqZbwwtu/wcc7AfOlMnySYRA eOoXLW5hpI7+X3/IAEa4Pi/RUO/eKNs7VTm0+SYETYOgV92SRHZWZsuB5RpmFdVvD1YQtUScv v5CV5BE2nzvhWiS+mzGyZLLoxv7eTqdczYg103RwWGc0ofj+FH2ssbqG8989y6G0TwdzUYkq1 B1WDnQEKvRvu7R67FEtcKTDn44IvKAlgtY8bVn6VjspvE1KoJELseqNtNfoAwIkT9qwnqLpJ8 Y64v5+bMYwJWgC15hEDPPAPb5pCxrrNmG0P/DhPLlOQP4tmCRaIU3kBciiNL3BwcTl+tED73N SELuC9cZmNJvQm1U1+hBsnuYjYEpcEyTm7cBMbF1xOrQTzxfwXc1Dz+bL73w2uQtZF6u3BB5S DqE8pn7z4xDq0yEodW1Q6Mxos36uIogSUUtEeM+GcqhmTK41ejk+VwElTrFf/drvcSkpHWqOF docfPU0ybWkP72NJbKDTPQT7IXJ5jDHB3ZqegdczS4D+6g== On 10/3/22 06:37, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Hi Artem, > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 11:54 PM Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >> It's easy to join an existing bug report. Tell me how can I join an >> existing email thread without being first subscribed to it? I certainly >> can, absolute most people will not be able to. > > lore.kernel.org > >> What about sending large dump files? Should everyone on the mailing lis= t >> receive it? > > post a link > >> A bug report is a simple plain list of messages in a single place which >> could be read with a web browser. An email thread is anything but. > > lore.kernel.org > >> Searching through many emails at once? Good luck with that. > > lore.kernel.org > >> Replying to a particular email? Good luck with that. > > lore.kernel.org > >> It looks like you're under the impression that every Linux user who is >> willing to ever use Linux must: >> >> 1) Subscribe to _all_ the existing mailing lists (just in case - what i= f >> you need to work on something which was started by someone else) > > lore.kernel.org > >> 2) Know the email etiquette > > Just Be Polite > >> 3) Learn to be persistent and resend (an unknown number of times) your >> concerns hoping they will eventually be addressed. >> >> Bugzilla: sign up once. Follow up. If you file a dupe, hopefully it wil= l >> be marked as a dupe. Everyone's happy. No particular skills, email >> clients, formatting, referencing, etc. etc. etc. > > Having at last the skill to provide a good rebug port would be nice... > > Now, back to work. The merge window has opened, so there will be > bugs to report and/or fix... Lore looks alien to me and in my life I've worked with a dozen bug tracker= s. * Where are open "issues"? * Which issues are now resolved? * What's the status of the "issue"? * Which kernel subsystem is responsible for this or that "bug report"? * How to change the assignee? How to know the new assignee has been notified? This thing looks interesting to discuss patches and merge requests between developers who know each other and even at that it's not exactly super intuitive. Again, you're not thinking about users who have no idea how the kernel is developed. If you remove bugzilla I'll never use lore.kernel.org, I promise. I'm frightened by it. Regards, Artem