From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [96.44.175.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33EF83A1A0 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=96.44.175.130 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1721056055; cv=none; b=rn8W2VxqbBnR9RC3i339l40gTL8ESYgFf7LWaQ4ud/07XmxHtMi3nVQT3B/P7gU7OVaHTXsy7XkAnhqQT3ZxQJIFeuBU6bOGKs12nFXNxyld8hbblTrLfRhHuiKsL8zNX7GPA6J9l4G0oZ+ot42TX3Oji5rsS3YEBna7+Xktz6A= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1721056055; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Z3D+6QuIN/6Dhz1afQdlil7SxBEDcpDyaGxXG4KS19g=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=JcCJeRNfLmpLakIgb8Ze41R/W7a9pxqhYKpdaMgaHCevqJDCLd75RueYuWqkIkTXFyo7ZhWgSiB2wxaqc/0IDJsKc6+/Yuvlox4QTK22zpwLWMZgMvrjrFKlM1fMxk5OXGmBVb/dY8Kg8guDkVWIO0dQIsnL2tkDesPDihlnEI8= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=HansenPartnership.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=HansenPartnership.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b=rVYwOx0K; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b=rVYwOx0K; arc=none smtp.client-ip=96.44.175.130 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="rVYwOx0K"; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="rVYwOx0K" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1721056053; bh=Z3D+6QuIN/6Dhz1afQdlil7SxBEDcpDyaGxXG4KS19g=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=rVYwOx0KAv5JgGY+sh4E2px2S1Xh0W9KNEdExk1/XVQbMmnZokULO2L5/+KTuyDip fc1OVtTyvwnC62FJzyalOOA0RoLzrkUN+4OJ1NfvN/cC++lFyiKl+YE1BSiaskUkoK GJ6SjtcKqNY2jPKxFQKx/ixL5w/Jac29nvmpPwPQ= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA351285D06; Mon, 15 Jul 2024 11:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id m0mAwGHNOEoA; Mon, 15 Jul 2024 11:07:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1721056053; bh=Z3D+6QuIN/6Dhz1afQdlil7SxBEDcpDyaGxXG4KS19g=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=rVYwOx0KAv5JgGY+sh4E2px2S1Xh0W9KNEdExk1/XVQbMmnZokULO2L5/+KTuyDip fc1OVtTyvwnC62FJzyalOOA0RoLzrkUN+4OJ1NfvN/cC++lFyiKl+YE1BSiaskUkoK GJ6SjtcKqNY2jPKxFQKx/ixL5w/Jac29nvmpPwPQ= Received: from lingrow.int.hansenpartnership.com (unknown [IPv6:2601:5c4:4302:c21::a774]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AC5B1281F7B; Mon, 15 Jul 2024 11:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proposal: Enhancing Commit Tagging for Stable Kernel Branches From: James Bottomley To: Jonathan Corbet , Greg KH , Alexandre Belloni Cc: Mimi Zohar , Linus Torvalds , Sasha Levin , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 11:07:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h6cqya32.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> References: <0e6c7c8ed259dcb50631c6fdc3d86d3080bdc6f3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <2024071528-cahoots-reacquire-9eab@gregkh> <3a357a63f67f3e6aff5e6d020d40b51fa24e0280.camel@linux.ibm.com> <202407151434198c3715e9@mail.local> <2024071515-zestfully-womankind-1901@gregkh> <87h6cqya32.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.42.4 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 2024-07-15 at 09:00 -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote: [...] > So, to me, the real question here is: what is the actual policy? This thread does demonstrate huge confusion around that. I'd really like to try to run with what's documented because that's the easiest for Maintainers to enforce. > Are developers and maintainers expected to put in stable tags the way > they are expected to add Signed-off-by, or is it a fully optional > practice? In the latter case, I'm not sure how much good messing with > the tags will do. So what's documented is Fixes: is generally useful outside of stable (for bug tracing and the like) and is thus not optional. It simply means something about the target was updated by the patch, but this could be spelling in comments or white space and thus may not be a stable candidate. cc:stable is only for trees opting in to the stable process to mark commits that should be backported (i.e. is optional). Backport requests for upstream commits that didn't get a cc:stable tag go to the stable list, but I'll look into improving the automation around it. James