From: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@oracle.com>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev,
Linux Documentation <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [TECH TOPIC] Kernel documentation - update and future directions
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2025 09:51:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b41031ca-b4a4-450d-a833-5affefe958b2@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b452388b7796bba710790ceb5759b75ec6e57f23@intel.com>
On 9/1/25 3:09 AM, Jani Nikula wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2025, Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org> wrote:
>> It shouldn't be that hard to do the same for kernel-doc kAPI documentation:
>> kernel-doc now can parse the entire tree with:
>>
>> $ scripts/kernel-doc .
>>
>> Someone can easily use it to discover the current gaps at the docs that
>> have already some kernel-doc markups and identify what of them aren't
>> yet placed under Documentation/ ".. kernel-doc::" markups.
>>
>> So, I'd say the first step here would be to ensure that 100% of the
>> docs are there somewhere. Alternatively, we could place all the rest
>> of functions with kernel-doc markups outside Documentation inside an
>> "others/" book - or even "<subsystem>/others/", and then gradually move
>> them to the right places.
>
> I don't agree that all the kernel-docs need to be in the html build in
> the first place. Some of them would be better off with a simple
> non-structured comment instead. For example, most static functions. Some
> of the kernel-docs are useful for the structure the format provides, but
> still having them in the html build is overkill. For example, many
> complex but driver specific functions.
IMO there are far too many static functions that use kernel-doc notation.
I certainly don't want to discourage function documentation, but I don't
think there was any ever intent to have those functions added to the
kernel docbooks.
> I think the API documentation in the Sphinx build is primarily useful
> for kernel generic and subsystem APIs, or overviews of
> functionality. But nobody's looking at the Sphinx build for highly
> specific and isolated documentation for individual structures or
> functions.
>
> I'd say emphasize quality over quantity in the Sphinx build. An
> overwhelming amount of (in the big picture) insignificant API
> documentation does not make for good documentation.
>
> That said, there *are* a lot of kernel-doc comments that absolutely
> should be pulled into the Sphinx build. But don't be indiscriminate
> about it.
>
> ---
>
> I think a more interesting first step would be ensuring all the
> kernel-docs we do have are free of kernel-doc and rst warnings. Because
> they should be, and this would make them easier to pull into the Sphinx
> build as needed.
ISTM that there are lots of non-docs developers who either just don't care
about that or never run 'make W=1 htmldocs' to see the problems in their
drivers or subsystems. OK, maybe it's just a very low priority for them.
Willy had a suggestion that we just make checking kernel-doc during
all .c builds a permanent feature instead of a W=1 option.
This helps, but still doesn't force 'make htmldocs' to be run.
And it causes around 450 build warnings in my testing of an x86_64 allmodconfig
build.
> Currently we only have the kernel-doc checks in W=1 builds for .c
> files.
>
> The i915 and xe drivers have local Makefile hacks to do it for more than
> just W=1 builds and also headers. The attempts to expand the header
> checks to the drm subsystem, however, failed infamously.
>
> And still none of this checks for rst. But now that kernel-doc is
> python, it shouldn't be too hard. Probably needs a dependency, but it
> could only depend on it when passing some --lint-rst option.
>
> Having this in place would also reduce the churn caused by merging
> broken kernel-doc. It's fast enough to be done as part of the regular
> build, while most people don't run the entire Sphinx build as part of
> the development flow.
--
~Randy
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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-22 22:55 Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-25 10:35 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-28 23:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-30 13:37 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-30 16:00 ` Vegard Nossum
2025-08-30 22:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-30 23:08 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-31 14:03 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-31 20:16 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-01 6:17 ` Randy Dunlap
2025-09-01 19:27 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 10:09 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-01 16:51 ` Randy Dunlap [this message]
2025-09-01 17:52 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-01 18:15 ` Randy Dunlap
2025-09-01 18:20 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-01 18:25 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-01 18:40 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-01 19:51 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-01 22:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 18:46 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 18:52 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-01 22:56 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 11:15 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-02 11:59 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 12:14 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 13:00 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-02 14:42 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 15:15 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-02 17:19 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 18:52 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-03 7:47 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-03 10:04 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 10:25 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-02 18:58 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-02 22:35 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 6:29 ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-03 10:42 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 10:45 ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-03 10:54 ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-03 14:57 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 15:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-03 15:17 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-03 15:22 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-09-03 15:11 ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-03 15:25 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 15:37 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-03 15:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 13:39 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 13:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-01 19:53 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-01 23:15 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 18:37 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 19:05 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-09-01 19:17 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-02 10:42 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-02 11:55 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 12:07 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-02 15:07 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 18:26 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 10:55 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-02 12:04 ` Andrew Lunn
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