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From: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 00:19:56 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1507200014320.1141@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150717165501.62ed4e04@gandalf.local.home>

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Steven Rostedt wrote:

[ ... snip ... ]
> But that was an exception because the code submitted was really worth 
> while

This really made me wonder. Maybe we should really focus on why such 
ocasions need to be pointed out as exceptions.

Is it that Linux kernel development got hyped so much that everyone wants 
to have that bullet in his CV, no matter how stupid the submitted patch 
would be?

If so, what should we do to change it?

I.e. I might propose a a slightly controversial topic, going a bit the 
other direction than the whole "motivating newcomers" discussion: how to 
get rid of useless submissions that are slowing maintainers down?

Should we stop publishing all the statistics? I believe there is no 
question that those are one of the primary drivers of useless submissions. 
Once maintainers get DoSed by submissions of wrong and/or useless patches 
that eat non-negligible amount of their time, we're in trouble.

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-20  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 359+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-07 23:21 Peter Huewe
2015-07-07 23:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08  0:50   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08  1:40     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 19:45       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 19:37         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:11           ` josh
2015-07-09 20:38             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:00               ` josh
2015-07-09 21:03                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:42                   ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-11  8:32                   ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 21:24                 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 21:46                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:11                   ` josh
2015-07-09 23:30                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 23:35                     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:49                       ` josh
2015-07-12 21:44                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-16  9:21                         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16  9:26                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16  9:39                             ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16  9:38                           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-11  4:34                     ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-10  8:19                 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-10 17:06                   ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-10  8:54                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12  2:02                   ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12  5:19                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12  8:19                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 10:48                         ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 18:23                           ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 10:48                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 15:32                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:32                   ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-09 20:43             ` Darren Hart
2015-08-03 12:38             ` Fengguang Wu
2015-08-05  7:48               ` Darren Hart
2015-08-05 23:16                 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 22:31           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:08             ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:38             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:41               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:59                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10  0:55               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10  2:00                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10  0:35             ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10  2:07               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 12:44                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 18:24                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 20:40                     ` josh
2015-07-13 10:00                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 19:51                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:00                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:31                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:40                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:43                         ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-12 10:23                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-10 23:09                         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:37                           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 23:54                             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 20:56                     ` josh
2015-07-10 21:03                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 21:07                         ` josh
2015-07-10 23:11                           ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:28                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 18:22                             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 23:01                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:17                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 22:00                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 10:11                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-13 10:21                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 16:18                       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-13 17:59                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 15:31                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-14 17:05                         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:03                   ` Tim Bird
2015-07-10 20:11                     ` Guenter
2015-07-10 20:54                   ` josh
2015-07-10 22:57                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  0:00                     ` Dan Williams
2015-07-10 12:32             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 15:54               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:22                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 14:36           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-10 16:07             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 22:23               ` Greg KH
2015-07-11  0:00                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  0:13                   ` Greg KH
2015-07-11  2:39                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 15:04                       ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 21:27                         ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14 23:58                           ` Darren Hart
2015-07-14  2:24                         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  5:54                     ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-11 13:29                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-11 15:18                         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 16:45                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 19:35                             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 22:45                               ` Greg KH
2015-07-12  1:16                                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-16  1:20                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:25                         ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 13:47                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:56                             ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-16 15:03                               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:41                             ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:46                               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 15:12                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:27                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-16 18:39                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:57                               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:18                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:04                             ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 15:12                               ` Ralf Baechle
2015-07-16 15:26                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:34                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:51                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:12                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 15:41                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-16 15:50                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:52                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:10                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:57                                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:57                                 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-17 16:19                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 16:09                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:16                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24                                     ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:52                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18  1:42                                         ` NeilBrown
2015-07-18  3:48                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-31 13:09                                         ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-31 14:22                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:16                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 18:19                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:42                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 22:16                                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-08-01 22:45                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-08-03 15:49                                                       ` Mark Brown
2015-08-03 15:53                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03 16:01                                                           ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 12:12                                                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-02 22:46                                                       ` NeilBrown
2015-07-16 16:28                                     ` Greg KH
2015-07-16 17:36                                       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-31 13:17                                       ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-17 10:16                                     ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-17 12:21                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24                                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 17:15                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 18:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:11                                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-17 16:59                                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-17 17:06                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 18:59                                         ` josh
2015-07-17 17:37                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 17:43                                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-17 17:53                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 19:30                                           ` Chris Mason
2015-07-17 19:46                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:02                                               ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 17:40                                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-20 17:58                                                   ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 18:26                                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 18:05                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 19:02                                       ` josh
2015-07-17 19:43                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:24                                           ` josh
2015-07-17 20:39                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:48                                               ` josh
2015-07-17 20:55                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-19 22:19                                                   ` Jiri Kosina [this message]
2015-07-19 22:40                                                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-19 23:02                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-20  2:34                                                     ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20  5:16                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  5:19                                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20  7:15                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20  8:48                                                           ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  9:58                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:15                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 22:35                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-21  0:25                                                           ` NeilBrown
2015-07-20  9:08                                                         ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20  7:08                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20  8:27                                                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20 20:30                                                         ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 22:12                                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 22:32                                                             ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 23:03                                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 23:49                                                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-21  6:08                                                                 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21  6:15                                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-21  5:57                                                             ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20  8:44                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  9:23                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:04                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 10:30                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:09                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-21  2:00                                                                 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-21  6:00                                                                   ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21  8:54                                                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-07-22 13:04                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 13:57                                                                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-22 14:10                                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 14:42                                                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:44                                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:48                                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 15:41                                                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 16:29                                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-21 17:35                                                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-20 16:34                                                       ` Tim Bird
2015-07-18  6:17                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-19 22:21                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-20  7:18                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:05                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 12:35                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-07-20 16:12                                       ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 17:33                                 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-17 16:10                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 16:23                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 12:27                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-18 10:50                           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-18 12:19                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 21:29                               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-18 22:59                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 11:11                     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 15:44           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:00             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:34             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 16:58               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 17:32             ` Christian Couder
2015-07-10 17:49               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:35                 ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-10 22:49                   ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:18                     ` Laura Abbott
2015-07-12 10:53                     ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-11  9:31             ` [Ksummit-discuss] checkpatch.pl stuff Dan Carpenter
2015-07-11 11:34               ` Heiko Carstens
2015-07-11 12:51                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 13:42                   ` Joe Perches
2015-07-08 14:20     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 14:34       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 15:20         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 19:19       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-08 19:48         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09  3:56         ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-13 11:05           ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-14  5:41             ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-14 10:11               ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-08 16:43   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 18:08     ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08  0:16 ` Greg KH
2015-07-08 18:06   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 19:27     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 19:35       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08  1:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-08  1:14   ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08  1:49     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08  3:40       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-08  7:08       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08  2:03     ` Krzysztof Kozłowski
2015-07-08  7:04       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08  7:52         ` jic23
2015-07-08  9:52           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 12:42         ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-08 15:02         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 16:36           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 18:05             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:09           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 19:21             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:35               ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 15:43         ` John W. Linville
2015-07-12 19:37         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08  2:11     ` Greg KH
2015-07-08  7:52       ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-08 11:07       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 11:43       ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 18:49         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:11           ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 19:38             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08  8:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-08  7:37   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-08  8:00     ` jic23
2015-07-08  9:57       ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 18:53       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:56         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 20:07           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 21:31             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-09 17:50               ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-08 20:08         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09  4:06           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-09 18:28             ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-09 18:53               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:23               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 19:47                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:13                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 20:50                     ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 21:47                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 23:13                         ` josh
2015-07-09 23:56                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 20:49                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 21:04                             ` josh
2015-07-26 23:13                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-10 18:20                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-10 18:32                           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 18:58                           ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:24                             ` Guenter
2015-07-10 21:14                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11  0:52                                 ` Guenter
2015-07-13 19:28                                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11  1:04                               ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 21:00                             ` josh
2015-07-11  1:06                               ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 20:23                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 20:48                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:52                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:44             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 21:01               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-09 19:39         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:21           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-09 21:41             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10  0:14             ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10  1:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10  1:54               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10  3:13               ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 18:14         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-11  1:00           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-12  3:48             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-12  5:23               ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 12:28                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-13 14:20                   ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 14:33                     ` Jan Kara
2015-07-13 16:28                       ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 17:58                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14  4:38                         ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-14  5:56                           ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14  7:00                           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 15:16                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-14 15:52                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-14 18:04                               ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 18:01                             ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-12 15:35               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 14:07 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:29   ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 22:18     ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 23:09       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-12 19:53         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 15:09       ` John W. Linville
2015-07-09 17:45         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 18:08           ` John W. Linville
2015-07-10 13:07             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 18:37         ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-09 19:02         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 13:03         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 17:55 ` Mark Brown

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