From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE9D11087 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 08:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Galois.linutronix.de (Galois.linutronix.de [146.0.238.70]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B83BFF8 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 08:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:45:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Gleixner To: Olof Johansson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20180924181138.GA16086@tuxdriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: olof@lxom.net, ksummit , Greg Kroah-Hartman Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH-TOPIC] Review - Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, 25 Sep 2018, Olof Johansson wrote: > Reaching out to the one who's misbehaving I see more as something > friends will do to each other, not what the community as such is > expected to do. I.e. if I enjoy having Thomas around (I do, but I'm > also looking forward to him not blowing up ever so often), it's worth > checking in to see if everything is OK and if there's anything I can > do to help. Not before someone has checked in with the person at the > receiving end, and I definitely would never expect that person to be > the one checking in with Thomas. Let me put that straight. Surely everyone has to work on himself and I'm not expecting that the person who got attacked reaches out to the one misbehaving. Obviously it has to be the other way round and the one who misbehaved needs to reach out. For me it's part of true excellence when the one who told me to stop it, or a third person, reaches out to me as well. John Stultz did that to me some time ago, and I really appreciated it. It made a huge difference for me and talking to him about it surely made me reflect deeper and helped me to see where my own defense against my temper broke. There is a - not completely unjustified - fear in the wider community that the CoC could be turned into thought policing. Especially those who grew up in the eastern part of Europe or under any other form of repressive state, those who have second hand experience through relatives and friends and those have been exposed to that in some other context, are very sensitive to this and sentences like: "- we crack down hard on anything that might drive away contributors." certainly do not make them more comfortable. Adding the unclarified provisions of the CoC to it doesn't help either. We're all human and it is part of human nature to fail. Repression does not make that go away. Quite the contrary. Thanks, tglx