From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70EB2114F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Galois.linutronix.de (Galois.linutronix.de [146.0.238.70]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398517F4 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 00:21:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Gleixner To: Olof Johansson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20180924181138.GA16086@tuxdriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: olof@lxom.net, Greg Kroah-Hartman , ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH-TOPIC] Review - Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Olof Johansson wrote: > Ah yes, Popper's Paradox. The answer is not that we have to be > tolerant of the intolerant -- or at least not infinitely. We also all > know that people need a bit of time to adjust to new habits and I > think we should focus more on (quick) improvement over time than > absolutes. We're all humans. That's the important point here: we are _all_ humans. That includes those who occasionally lose their temper (I know what I'm talking about and I know for sure that it is a life long struggle to control it). If someone puts that person in his place, that's absolutely correct and necessary. Most people immediately react, regret and apologize and they mean it. Now if someone gets put in his place and the person who does that then goes one step further and asks (privately) what's wrong and what caused that pointless explosion, in other words deeply cares about the other person who failed, then a way deeper change happens than just using the Code of Conflict/Conduct as a one edged sword. Then 'be excellent to each other' becomes what it's really meant to be. Thanks, Thomas