From: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Shuah Khan <shuah.kh@samsung.com>,
Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Fix devm_kzalloc, its users, or both
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 18:34:21 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507311833280.2499@hadrien> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2111196.TG1k3f53YQ@avalon>
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It recently came to my attention that the way devm_kzalloc() is used by most
> drivers is broken. I've raised the topic on LKML (see
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2015/7/14/741) in the hope that my findings were simply
> wrong, but it turned out I was unfortunately right. As the topic spans lots of
> subsystems I believe it would be a good technical topic for the Kernel Summit.
>
> The issue occurs when drivers use devm_kzalloc() to allocate data structures
> that can be accessed through file operations on a device node. The following
> sequence of events will then lead to a crash.
>
> 1. Get a device bound to its driver
> 2. Open the corresponding device node in userspace and keep it open
> 3. Unbind the device from its driver through sysfs using for instance
>
> echo <device-name> > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/<driver-name>/unbind
>
> (or for hotpluggable devices just unplug the device)
>
> 4. Close the device node
> 5. Enjoy the fireworks
>
> While having a device node open prevents modules from being unloaded, it
> doesn't prevent devices from being unbound from drivers. If the driver uses
> devm_* helpers to allocate memory the memory will be freed when the device is
> unbound from the driver, but that memory will still be used by any operation
> touching an open device node.
How is this different from the free happening explicitly in the remove
function?
(For some reason, I can't access the lkml discussion).
julia
>
> Tejun Heo commented that "this really is a general lifetime management
> problem. [...] If a piece of memory isn't attached to the harware side but the
> userland interface side [...], that shouldn't be allocated via devm - it has
> "dev" in its name for a reason."
>
> While I agree that this is how devres operates today, I'm not sure we should
> throw the baby out with the bath water. Using devm_kzalloc() as currently done
> has value, and reverting drivers to the pre-devm memory allocation code would
> make error handling and cleanup code paths more complex again.
>
> Should we introduce a managed allocator for that purpose that would have a
> lifespan explicitly handled by drivers (or, even better, handled automatically
> in a way that would suit our use cases) ? Tejun commented that "a better
> approach would be implementing generic revoke feature and sever open files on
> driver detach so that everything can be shutdown then".
>
> People who might be interested:
>
> - Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
> - Shuah Khan <shuah.kh@samsung.com> (for the media controller devres WIP)
> - Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> (for the component framework)
> - Anyone who believes that managed memory allocation for driver private
> structures is useful
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Laurent Pinchart
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-31 16:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-31 15:14 Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-31 15:56 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-31 16:34 ` Julia Lawall [this message]
2015-07-31 16:51 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 16:57 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-31 17:03 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 16:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-31 17:02 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 17:05 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 17:13 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 17:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 17:36 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 18:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 18:40 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 19:41 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-01 10:57 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 14:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 14:21 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-01 11:04 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 11:21 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-04 12:55 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-08-04 14:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-04 17:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 18:03 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-04 18:07 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 19:49 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-31 17:04 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-31 17:27 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-01 10:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 16:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 23:33 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 10:47 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 10:55 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-01 11:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 15:18 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-02 0:48 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-08-02 14:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 16:04 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-08-04 10:40 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:18 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-04 11:56 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:59 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 14:48 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 22:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-05 9:41 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 10:49 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-08-10 7:58 ` Linus Walleij
2015-08-10 10:23 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-11 11:35 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-08-11 15:19 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-21 2:19 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 15:07 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-21 16:14 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 16:58 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 17:30 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 17:41 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 17:52 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 18:05 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 18:18 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-12 18:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-12 18:44 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-14 15:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
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