From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:59:02 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1405282332430.3952@nanos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140528162833.GA23815@thin>
On Wed, 28 May 2014, Josh Triplett wrote:
>
> Or perhaps in LWN's statistics, which focus on Signed-off-by but don't
> mention Reviewed-by at all.
Oh no. The existing madness about the LWN stats is bad enough. We
don't want to encourage another excel sheet accountable competition.
It's bad enough that the stats already foster a metric ton of horrible
patches. The least we need is a metric ton of horrible reviews
conducted just to show up in the rankings.
You cannot fix the lack of capable reviewers or the lack of time of
those who are capable by any tags, statitics or whatever.
You need to look at the underlying problem. And that's at least
related by the commit statistics. The flood of crappy patches and the
amount of review cycles it takes to get even trivial stuff into an
acceptable shape is what makes the live of a maintainer and reviewer a
nightmare.
The goals of some organizations, to reach a top X contributor level in
201X, results in a frency of half baken "works for me" patches,
completely unreviewed inside of the organization and let lose on the
maintainers/reviewers who are burdened to educate the submitters.
That's the real issue. And this needs to be fixed first.
I really started to put breaks into this cycle of hell, where I get
spammed with a 30+ patch series in the morning and after I spent some
quality time looking at it and replying to a particular patch, I get
another spam bomb within a few hours, which is not much better than
the previous one.
Hell no, that does not work. No matter how many maintainers/reviewers
you have there is no way that they can scale to that global effort
which is obviously conducted to prove a newfangled variant of the
Infinite-Monkey-Theorem: Computers instead of typewriters and well
written kernel patches instead of Shakespeares writings.
Thanks,
tglx
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2014-05-24 9:53 James Bottomley
2014-05-24 11:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 19:18 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-25 4:56 ` NeilBrown
2014-05-25 4:57 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 15:41 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 16:05 ` mark gross
2014-05-30 16:45 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-06-01 14:05 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25 8:59 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-26 12:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 12:52 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-27 17:27 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-27 22:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 22:43 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-27 23:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 14:26 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 14:32 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 14:39 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 16:39 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 16:51 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 17:35 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 17:44 ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28 18:38 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 21:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29 9:28 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-29 17:41 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 2:41 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 17:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-30 23:40 ` Greg KH
2014-05-31 16:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-06-01 8:36 ` Takashi Iwai
2014-05-31 23:30 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29 18:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-28 22:48 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 23:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 18:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 7:35 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 16:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:37 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:50 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:20 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:28 ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-28 17:05 ` Jonathan Corbet
2014-05-28 21:59 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2014-05-28 23:31 ` josh
2014-05-28 23:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29 0:39 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29 0:47 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29 0:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29 6:13 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-29 18:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 23:34 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 2:23 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 4:26 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 5:02 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 5:33 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 14:14 ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 16:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:56 ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers (was: Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 19:54 ` Shuah Khan
2014-06-02 12:00 ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-30 20:50 ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-31 1:44 ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers Li Zefan
2014-05-31 1:54 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-31 2:21 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31 22:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-31 2:07 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31 3:52 ` Greg KH
2014-05-31 4:08 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 23:47 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers Greg KH
2014-05-30 11:17 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-31 21:05 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-29 10:31 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-29 18:36 ` Greg KH
2014-05-29 15:32 ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28 5:37 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-28 10:06 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-28 13:57 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 14:24 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-26 12:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-24 15:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-05-24 17:31 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-25 4:15 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-05-26 12:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 18:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-25 4:17 ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-25 8:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-25 9:11 ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-27 8:16 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-25 9:09 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25 22:29 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-26 15:53 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 14:39 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-27 20:53 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 21:22 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28 0:10 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-28 0:30 ` Greg KH
2014-05-28 23:25 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28 23:47 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29 4:01 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 5:17 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29 23:56 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 23:59 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29 0:35 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-29 4:36 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 16:46 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-29 21:57 ` Frank Rowand
2014-05-29 23:12 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 1:10 ` NeilBrown
2014-05-28 5:11 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 12:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 18:47 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 20:15 ` josh
2014-05-29 2:15 ` Rob Herring
2014-05-29 3:34 ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-30 0:52 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-29 8:39 ` Jonathan Cameron
2014-05-30 0:47 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 0:51 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 18:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] Reforming Acked-by (was Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 19:11 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 19:15 ` John W. Linville
2014-05-28 19:51 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-30 14:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:10 ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 21:10 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 21:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-02 2:43 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-06-02 2:53 ` NeilBrown
2014-06-02 3:01 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-28 19:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 20:12 ` josh
2014-05-28 20:22 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-28 23:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:29 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 14:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-29 14:59 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 16:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-30 10:58 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 15:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-29 18:27 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-29 21:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29 21:03 ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-29 23:30 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 1:12 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 5:04 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 5:39 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 11:30 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-30 23:39 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 10:08 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 13:07 ` Jan Kara
2014-05-30 13:41 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 15:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-31 1:30 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 14:34 ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 0:55 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 15:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 21:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-30 21:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 22:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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