From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D8F53FE5F for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2025 17:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754413895; cv=none; b=eEF+QQ9i48LWg10shBG95fS7ShpBzUhJUwnz7z0Oj3wPL9UFWmG6pYgaIRGHYo7Qe85xio9LfHctbKJ34jDtF4HCbVm0BF78esQ4p61cDsOAAhFWi6FXOCPzEOOlZ8clSc20HONrfhcRd/m8c3yz61QCNlv6UJTisI1reWLcu8k= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754413895; c=relaxed/simple; bh=ohq6FFzDpPxOSRs5EdIg5aW9k/DXGpMQ3L8uZ5Q4nc0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=gRnKJPlegYZA/JOdRybLUUoA/9DwI37NjNyCddrsLjLfTYXd+fKVyGVj0ZAEg7NPaVhQEOpQM5lKEQ8MrTU2qOo5oW+dywK/x+nEsL8FIUoGKYp3iuWN4z3KmVUXj5Zvkqdv80KiyeL3gzthfBGzTYMdgrllPyRzfeODUpvjomI= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=QLha/VLe; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="QLha/VLe" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72F32C4CEF0; Tue, 5 Aug 2025 17:11:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1754413895; bh=ohq6FFzDpPxOSRs5EdIg5aW9k/DXGpMQ3L8uZ5Q4nc0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=QLha/VLe7yfInlLnSeFyf6isqf7sMfjaTTtilGlcg5Tyks2jKaduxlKRKh5ujQVYf CIC3mj+gUk3DDkog9HjewLUz28uFFqbBsRpbHA1qHZaRtnnBD+FvYlznNn4y2h3PRz Zu1ziL39GODXOuuqI9+QRPmnMeKsd+mgDsw3e4vT7wywI0b6bGFXxNEOej/0rD4wKD Jy2jDYcdu2Vy61RAW9/Q+iLerMRSg6KImaaJ+sJTp3ZRAlCB1/Bg/Y95CR5wVNwO2R G4KkbuMfHfd601G2WlVWHHIbADUuQgn2li45AkoHXdCWZpsnvKsd2mUDssUQmbkOuq EAVyZk7exaGpA== Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 18:11:31 +0100 From: Mark Brown To: James Bottomley Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The role of AI and LLMs in the kernel process Message-ID: References: <56e85d392471beea3322d19bde368920ba6323b6.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AqAUdGE7DAGOGalR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56e85d392471beea3322d19bde368920ba6323b6.camel@HansenPartnership.com> X-Cookie: Trap full -- please empty. --AqAUdGE7DAGOGalR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 12:43:38PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > On Tue, 2025-08-05 at 17:03 +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: > > * On the other hand, there are use cases which are useful - test > > data/code generation, summarisation, smart auto-complete - so it'd > > perhaps be foolish to entirely dismiss AI. > Patch backporting is another such nice use. Patch backporting sounds pretty scary to me, it's the sort of thing where extra context that needs to be accounted for is very likely to come up (eg, assumptions you can make about existing state or santisation). That trips up humans often enough and doesn't seem like it's playing to the strengths advertised for LLMs. TBH I'm not thrilled about the general test code is trivial assumption either, unstable test code or test code that doesn't cover what people think it covers are both problems. The issues when things go wrong are less severe than the kernel itself but things still need to be maintained and we already have issues with people being dismissive of the selftests. --AqAUdGE7DAGOGalR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAmiSO0IACgkQJNaLcl1U h9DFQwf9H/jc4/6BbqMvx9CwrUkGT2qJO3L4MxfLWE7baxEjEScfvJMjgPfLmy7z 75+Sv4jg509RvZssfDS87wItv8GqcjuxEztGDoeLbqD1CN93hpdcunic+Esdojc2 emCDGUr/AJMUc2CLsPAbvqbvXgUWik4rg5vKD/LlGmDbpUeODwNFms7t4+g3hxz1 Ih27aYv7xmX+ACV2ptJpb9dCxs8GsbNiT/hvqeVR4p7xTcjXPppeBRiCbXI6mWqF pHFGbYlcH0FfKTaM68/FMiUobvytllNLiG30jwPSYi2mIhnp7f4j8TSIWheod0sA xSIeDsk+MgTmYrBkGiJWOeQzcUZxeA== =kS3v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AqAUdGE7DAGOGalR--