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Howlett" Cc: Jens Axboe , Lorenzo Stoakes , Dave Hansen , James Bottomley , Dave Hansen , Dave Hansen , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shuah Khan , Kees Cook , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Miguel Ojeda , Luis Chamberlain , SeongJae Park , Dan Williams , Steven Rostedt , NeilBrown , Theodore Ts'o , Sasha Levin , Jonathan Corbet , Vlastimil Babka , workflows@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v3] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content Message-ID: References: <6c71554c-4fa1-4b99-9d46-2f1a2ecc1b7f@intel.com> <611c4a95-cbf2-492c-a991-e54042cf226a@lucifer.local> <85614f7f-f217-47e5-a9f7-0a012f6e6ecd@lucifer.local> <6e9cab54-7b66-45e9-af96-e52b3eba1034@intel.com> <711d9e37-6fe7-4783-8ac4-5269279bb9fe@kernel.dk> <3xf3f4b3vegssexoid746y7isuswwsgmac5hy2hm4ipisdcxaf@nbi67byycwj5> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3xf3f4b3vegssexoid746y7isuswwsgmac5hy2hm4ipisdcxaf@nbi67byycwj5> On Thu, Jan 08, 2026 at 04:04:39PM -0500, Liam R. Howlett wrote: > * Jens Axboe [260108 15:54]: > > On 1/8/26 12:23 PM, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: > > >> @@ -95,3 +95,8 @@ choose how they handle the contribution. For example, they might: > > >> - Ask the submitter to explain in more detail about the contribution > > >> so that the maintainer can feel comfortable that the submitter fully > > >> understands how the code works. > > >> + > > >> +Finally, always be prepared for tooling that produces incorrect or > > >> +inappropriate content. Make sure you understand and to be able to > > >> +defend everything you submit. If you are unable to do so, maintainers > > >> +may choose to reject your series outright. > > >> > > > > > > I feel like this formulation waters it down so much as to lose the emphasis > > > which was the entire point of it. > > > > > > I'm also not sure why we're losing the scrutiny part? > > > > > > Something like: > > > > > > +If tools permit you to generate series entirely automatically, expect > > > +additional scrutiny. > > > + > > > +As with the output of any tooling, the result maybe incorrect or > > > +inappropriate, so you are expected to understand and to be able to defend > > > +everything you submit. If you are unable to do so, maintainers may choose > > > +to reject your series outright. > > > > Eh, why not some variant of: > > > > "If you are unable to do so, then don't submit the resulting changes." > > > > Talking only for myself, I have ZERO interest in receiving code from > > someone that doesn't even understand what it does. And it'd be better to > > NOT waste my or anyone elses time if that's the level of the submission. > > Yes, agreed. > Yeah. Me too. > If I cannot understand it and the author is clueless about the patch, > then I'm going to be way more grumpy than the wording of that statement. > > I'd assume the submitter would just get the ai to answer it anyways > since that's fitting with the level of the submission. Yes. That has happened to me. I asked the submitter how do you know this is true? And the v2 had a long AI generated explanation which quoted a spec from an AI hallucination. I like Dave's document but the first paragraph should be to not send AI slop. regards, dan carpenter