From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90DC1D290 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 05:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=mit.edu Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mit.edu header.i=@mit.edu header.b="MqH8ytyu" Received: from letrec.thunk.org (ue.tmodns.net [172.58.206.174] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 3AE5kvKL030848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Nov 2023 00:46:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mit.edu; s=outgoing; t=1699940820; bh=L/pjSAV49h0xCLyhsoEwJjGx5u5fDHhC0FcH2eNiGxw=; h=Date:From:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MqH8ytyuvldaF/ED7LkxMWReKTReU9n5ClwGsbyn/slEnuyL7Y9juSoleYWcksuRk JvpKLcrGPpHaQwCxx9mnnrll4vtYDwhS6H/u+GjhoL3DQe+OsNltKazFU9mJwuuS00 5sUaiv316GRe2z9ptMXN76w/vDfZ2e+LWfPVgJNAY2yIUVRGU7/zRWCC5VXyRdHPn4 VlCHyo827xuH28fk2JjUSjDsMRUnuJ2/WSOZFvfw7F+UktdVpB1kDbiKUYSUYXxMHG NSwLIa0DPAEhOOMSc88HbmPZBK1Ux7PWs9fI8lC3f2Xv58m19wvi8+1OoSSDM7Nqxm nNA6oMwhFpkMA== Received: by letrec.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id E24AD8C03F0; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:34:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:34:27 -0500 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: Linus Torvalds , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Prep? Message-ID: References: <871qct4ghi.fsf@meer.lwn.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <871qct4ghi.fsf@meer.lwn.net> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 12:10:01PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > Linus Torvalds writes: > > > I didn't ask Jon before, so here goes: Jonathan? Would you be willing > > to take some input from people, and just scrub the names off it, and > > forward some kind of word cloud of issues (or honestly, just the > > otherwise unedited emails) to me? > > Yes, I would be happy to do that. I've gotten one email already; > anybody else with something to pass on is encouraged to send it my way. Thanks, Jon! I was going to send out an anonymous Google Form that invited people to send up to 3 things that they were going well, and 3 things that was making them unhappy, in preparation for a "Are Maintainers Happy?" session (which is a spin on the "Is Linus Happy" session that we've sometimes had in the past), but since Jon has volunteered, lets stick with that. I'd also like to ask attendees to think about specific proposals to address Maintainer Burnout. Given the very long thread about Maintainer Burnout, we've scheduled 60 minutes on the schedule for it. The current draft agenda is attached below. - Ted Maintainer's Summit Omni Richmond Hotel November 16, 2023 8:00 Hot breakfast and morning refreshments 9:00 Welcome and Agenda Bashing 9:30 Trust and Maintenace of File Systems 10:00 Next steps for Rust -- are we ready to commit? 10:30 Break 11:00 Maintainer Burnout 11:30 Maintainer Burnout (continued) 12:00 Lunch 1:30 Maintainers Support Group 2:00 Are Maintainers Happy? 2:30 Group Photograph 3:00 Break 3:30 Free time 6:00 Transportation loads for dinner