From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 132F67B; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 14:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 602AAC433C1; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 14:34:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1664721276; bh=nVjMzJg96sZ63La24OIXWTkE+UIIrRIsTtHwDK22AtA=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=saCUA2DEdmvbAngAzB44HcFLqA+fc6bk2dZElb5ofFr/pl5xUbJjMHMZiVOsvCQL2 qq4zSYgGqM8dGzhBfIYMW7ASix1EsimDK2TUTep3p8lYkjQ/3OFGoYSAsWpinrrtsS CLbT3y9azGzH3GLvT8Eduq/1d2yff17J2aaBKuWk= Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:35:14 +0200 From: Greg KH To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" Cc: Theodore Ts'o , Thorsten Leemhuis , Konstantin Ryabitsev , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Message-ID: References: <9a2fdff8-d0d3-ebba-d344-3c1016237fe5@gmx.com> <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 12:49:04PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > > And if we force developers to get Bugzilla spam whether they want it > > not, and they said, "absolutely not", is it there right to have the > > mailing list gateway disabled --- and if so, what does that do to the > > user experience? Thats basically the situation we have right now. > > As I've said many times already: bugzilla must be an opt-out, not opt-in > experience/option. > > Let's subscribe the past six months of developers using git commits and > if someone doesn't like getting emails they go to the website and > unsubscribe _once_ which takes a minute. This is a non-issue I've no > clue why we're dwelling on it. auto-subscribing people to anything is a sure way to get lots of people instantly mad at you and have them add the address to their filters. That's just not how to do things well, sorry. If you wish to be the one triaging all bugzilla bugs, wonderful, please start doing so. But to volunteer others and insist that they do it is a non-starter for obvious reasons. greg k-h