From: "Bird, Tim" <Tim.Bird@sony.com>
To: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@intel.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
"ksummit@lists.linux.dev" <ksummit@lists.linux.dev>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@linaro.org>
Subject: RE: Clarifying confusion of our variable placement rules caused by cleanup.h
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 16:54:43 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <PH0PR13MB5639535AC3D1232831FD2380FD8AA@PH0PR13MB5639.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <38d7b19f-b6ff-437b-bc88-fa2047ca556a@p183>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
>
> On Fri, Jan 02, 2026 at 09:50:29AM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 13:17:32 +0100
> > Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > There was variation of this type of nonsense with headers (not only it has
> > > > to be sorted alphabetically but by length too!)
> > >
> > > By length it indeed sounds weird, but alphabetical is the natural language
> > > order everybody learnt from the daycare / school years, so it's properly
> > > programmed in our deep brain. Having that allows to find easily if anything one
> > > is interested in is already being included. Also it allows to avoid dup inclusions
> > > (was there, fixed that for real). So, it's not bad.
> >
> > Actually, I like the "by length" because its aesthetically easier on the eyes.
> >
> > Alphabetically is fine, but either one helps in catching duplicate headers.
>
> Such rules for headers are mostly harmless -- headers are supposed to be
> idempotent so ordering doesn't matter. But if ordering doesn't matter
> why have a rule at all?
The rule is (or at least was, at one point) helpful to reduce the likelihood
merge conflicts during patch application. I know patch and quilt still
don't ignore mismatched #include lines in the patch context, even
though #include lines in C are independent of each other. I'm not sure if git
handles this better or not.
When everyone appends new #include lines at the end of the block of lines,
there is more likelihood of a patch conflict right there. If the #include lines
are instead sorted in some fashion, it reduces (but obviously does not eliminate)
the possibility of a patch conflict.
-- Tim
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-17 16:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-18 16:39 James Bottomley
2025-11-18 17:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-11-18 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-18 19:04 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-11-18 19:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-18 20:43 ` Al Viro
2025-11-18 19:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-18 19:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-18 19:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-18 19:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-18 19:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-18 19:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-18 19:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-18 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-18 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-18 20:21 ` James Bottomley
2025-11-18 20:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-18 20:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-18 21:10 ` James Bottomley
2025-11-18 22:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-18 23:32 ` James Bottomley
2025-11-18 19:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-18 20:28 ` James Bottomley
2025-11-25 13:09 ` Jani Nikula
2025-11-25 14:25 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-11-25 15:32 ` Stephen Hemminger
2025-11-25 16:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-25 17:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-12-31 12:17 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-01-02 14:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-17 16:23 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2026-01-17 16:54 ` Bird, Tim [this message]
2026-01-17 23:32 ` David Laight
2026-01-18 16:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-18 19:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-18 19:17 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-18 19:33 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-18 19:52 ` Joe Perches
2026-01-18 21:07 ` Steven Rostedt
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