From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail.zytor.com (terminus.zytor.com [198.137.202.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21A992E0917 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 23:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=198.137.202.136 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1760658820; cv=none; b=i5X8PyhgqSqYR/Crr0qLjhJQCRDfLghyeAgpg3NsRbmB+CqspYxatKddU/XooyHa8TuxygpKMGt/YHTN9/Tgyk46he3oRCDDp/2/wKta2C5ID5eIxz1zfn16UxOrDgVGJHxzHrYAhc//gg5kS2JbdINg8R4GWho9Xyb68wOPzlU= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1760658820; c=relaxed/simple; bh=i8nD3B28VzTRdWvto8Xasl6hZ9GbzNz9J8J19xtZJ10=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=swXg1YI38KZqB7KdehnGIKw1U4AmFoysw+OqPjIeiGYfAM2KVgfE8I7FWPgxdk1YgluTZuKfLOvNZCzfQlK+i6/99MWAEY79vR3fEu1IfSrKVEugZf7VBiX6ta13FxJGwkCtxAGv/nblePTE61f3QlvV6MwWCsfw5lQUm2Dhc20= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zytor.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zytor.com; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=zytor.com header.i=@zytor.com header.b=VGVb9WQ8; arc=none smtp.client-ip=198.137.202.136 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zytor.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zytor.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=zytor.com header.i=@zytor.com header.b="VGVb9WQ8" Received: from ehlo.thunderbird.net ([192.55.60.44]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.zytor.com (8.18.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPSA id 59GNrSZI3320559 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Oct 2025 16:53:29 -0700 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mail.zytor.com 59GNrSZI3320559 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zytor.com; s=2025092201; t=1760658809; bh=eMQ4hZLmaiwsvg1HFe26HnEeXCM3L0IzaxYpCg/9D60=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=VGVb9WQ8nbctTITDj4QxC7oWCv8JM/5vPf1OHNkK+UmYB3PfgCfvDQYsaNhv1mzrF BhpGXt2Q+StYuhsywfAFjpsnAaB1m7CiKkE+PvfOwlrPJ2lMyWbtjld4MBGt/SdKOG o4pZ9fQlrj/9nWk3a6LOyeyTX98n600JnSHGtgyDWJijqSrBEG/9YtbwJzSiILVvQB 0SI6Pb3AU7g9QRg+cpP8+EH6AVnWQfNHILkuw3DmIi1c0aNbCe/gkX1k/4ZjalZTqL UmOR97voHFqlVMk59JYsXpwIrbAGPZENGnuQH9UUPHjNZyrYeK7HiIZ4ZjVvO/PelJ Qg28aVoIoM1HA== Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 16:53:19 -0700 From: "H. Peter Anvin" To: James Bottomley , Rob Herring , Konstantin Ryabitsev CC: Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , dan.j.williams@intel.com, Doug Anderson , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <68ee73dcd10ee_2f89910075@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> <2025101448-overtake-mortality-99c8@gregkh> <68efd54da845e_2f89910071@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> <20251015-versed-active-silkworm-bb87bd@lemur> <2025101631-foyer-wages-8458@gregkh> <892a58917795bf5d29394bb5123dae2a6615ca08.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <2025101639-thwarting-press-f0f7@gregkh> <20251016-vehement-kittiwake-of-joy-d6db8e@lemur> Message-ID: Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On October 16, 2025 12:32:48 PM PDT, James Bottomley wrote: >On Thu, 2025-10-16 at 12:29 -0700, H=2E Peter Anvin wrote: >[=2E=2E=2E] >> The Message-ID is largely useless without a List-ID at least, and if >> the maintainer picks it up directly then they will never see the >> List-ID and would have to add it manually=2E=20 > >Not really in the modern age=2E Lore would always be my first choice >because it doesn't need to know the list to resolve if it's archived >the message, but even if that turns up nothing, a search engine should >be able to index it (well, eventually, it seems to take them a few >days)=2E > >Regards, > >James > > But as Linus has pointed out: it shifts the workload to the user, where it= is less amenable to automation=2E