From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0F2DBBC for ; Tue, 8 May 2018 21:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot0-f182.google.com (mail-ot0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62A18F4 for ; Tue, 8 May 2018 21:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l13-v6so37886817otk.9 for ; Tue, 08 May 2018 14:51:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180508214339.GE8514@sasha-vm> References: <20180503031000.GC29205@thunk.org> <0276fcda-0385-8f22-dbdb-e063f7ed8bbe@roeck-us.net> <20180503224217.GR2714@sirena.org.uk> <20180503230905.GA98604@atomide.com> <20180508023439.GA8514@sasha-vm> <20180508034820.GE999@thunk.org> <20180508202912.GC8514@sasha-vm> <20180508205505.GD8514@sasha-vm> <20180508214339.GE8514@sasha-vm> From: Dan Williams Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 14:51:18 -0700 Message-ID: To: Sasha Levin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Cc: David Lang , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linux Kernel Mailing List , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "w@1wt.eu" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss wrote: > On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 01:59:18PM -0700, David Lang wrote: >>On Tue, 8 May 2018, Sasha Levin wrote: >> >>>There's no one, for example, who picked up vanilla v4.16 and plans to >>>keep using it for a year. >> >>Actually, at a prior job I would do almost exactly that. >> >>I never intended to go a year without updating, but it would happen if >>nothing came up that was related to the hardware/features I was >>running. >> >>so 'no one uses the Linus kernel is false. > > My point is not that "no one ever uses Linus kernel" but that no one > takes one of those kernels and plans to stick with it for 3 months until > the next one comes up, even if there are updates relevant to that user. > > Yes, some users will use a .0 release until either Greg releases a > -stable, or until the next -rc is out. > > What I'm trying to say is that there is that the .0 release makes some > people rush poorly tested commits in it even though the .0 release is > not significant in any way. I think we should take pride in our releases, so I disagree that it is insignificant. If a maintainer is rushing things into late rc's and breaking things then they need that feedback, not de-emphasize the importance of ".0" releases. Could the bar be raised higher on late fixes, perhaps. I otherwise think the message is already clear "changes at -rc6,7,8 had better be worthy of and coming in late and be accompanied with good explanation".