Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion

From: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
To: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: mchehab+samsung@kernel.org,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:32:28 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPM=9tz0rw6WLHcP+ZxL4r_nt0tK_GbpidtYEN7DBxcqioaLMA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181010210948.62ed5ce6@alans-desktop>

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On Thu., 11 Oct. 2018, 06:11 Alan Cox, <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:19:17 -0300
> Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > Em Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:53:08 +0100
> > Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> escreveu:
> >
> > > > -Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or
> reject
> > > > +Maintainers may remove, edit, or reject
> > > >  comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other
> contributions that are
> > > >  not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or
> permanently any
> > > >  contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate,
> threatening,
> > > >
> > > > The previous text seems too much legal for my taste.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That is just as confusing. Maintainers have the right to remove, edit,
> > > reject commits that *are* aligned with the code as well.
> >
> > Good point. Yeah, a maintainer can do whatever he thinks it is
> > appropriate for a patch - even when it follows the CoC.
> >
> > > So what exactly is the point here ?
> >
> > The point is "responsibility" - that sounds like it is bounding a legal
> > duty to a maintainer.
>
> If you remove the responsibility aspect you might as well remove the
> entire clause. It doesn't say anything as it's simply a subset of what
> maintainers do anyway.
>
> So how about
>
> "Maintainers should remove, edit or reject..."
>
> that keeps the sense that there should be pressure against abusive
> behaviour.
>
> except of course someone will attach a zero day exploit and fix to a
> coc-violating rant and then you are a bit stuffed 8)
>

Why? You can still talk to the person about their behaviour and suggest
they modify their behaviour and most likely someone who is an asshole with
a 0 day won't be posting it to us.

Dave

Dave.

> Alan
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