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Sat, 04 Jul 2020 19:54:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <159389297140.2210796.13590142254668787525.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com> <920e6dc0-628b-9bad-926a-d1238a373cda@infradead.org> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Airlie Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:54:17 +1000 Message-ID: To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: ksummit , Greg Kroah-Hartman , LKML , tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Chris Mason Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology X-BeenThere: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Sender: "Ksummit-discuss" On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 10:10, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > Erm, red-black trees don't have a derivation from gambling terminology either. The wikipedia article says: > > In a 1978 paper, "A Dichromatic Framework for Balanced Trees",[6] Leonidas J. Guibas and Robert Sedgewick derived the red-black tree from the symmetric binary B-tree.[7] The color "red" was chosen because it was the best-looking color produced by the color laser printer available to the authors while working at Xerox PARC.[8] Another response from Guibas states that it was because of the red and black pens available to them to draw the trees.[9] > > Left-right tree makes no sense. It doesn't distinguish the rbtree from its predecessor the avl tree. I don't think it's helpful to rename a standard piece of computing terminology unless it's actually hurting us to have it. Obviously if it were called a "master-slave" tree, I would be in favour of renaming it. As I said "it means nothing if you've never interacted with gambling culture," red black in the context of the trees as zero meaning other than as a name to find it on the internet, Search for that name enough and you will undoubtedly be getting ads for online roulette sites within hours, if you have a problem gambling past, this might not be the desired effect you'd want. The reasons something was named a particular thing can and will be different from what a societal context for them means now, and I believe it's more important to worry about current societal contexts than legacy historical namings. I'm not seriously suggesting we rename red-black trees, but if someone who had a problematic gambling background had issues with them I'd definitely be open for considering it. Dave. _______________________________________________ Ksummit-discuss mailing list Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss