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From: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER TOPIC] Succession Planning: Is It time to Throw Linus Under a Bus?
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 13:35:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOesGMgpXaPDn7gPWXdHJ1+_2UWPYDhDckni4CTqvZBLP79yzw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdVuMEVuUt3AFE3YLMpz5+r2KUcxBBtae8egLpw+20X7AA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:51 PM James Bottomley
> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2018-09-06 at 21:47 +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:44 PM, James Bottomley
>> > <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>> > > Since our fearless leader apparently can't even remember the dates
>> > > of
>> > > the only conference he goes to, perhaps now might be a good time to
>> > > talk about how we'd run an orderly succession process (purely
>> > > theoretically, of course ...)
>> > >
>> > > I think a vote amongst the Maintainer Summit attendees might be the
>> > > way
>> > > to elect a new leader, but others probably have different ideas.
>> >
>> > Why I single leader?
>> >
>> > This group maintainer ship thing ... it  works.
>>
>> Well, lets talk about that.  I like the single leader model because it
>> doesn't lead to the cabal cult like the group maintainer model does in
>> BSD.  However, if we have a plan that can avoid that, I think it would
>> be a reasonable thing to try out.

Group maintainership can be dysfunctional, just like single
maintainers can be. And pockets of cabals exist already in some areas.

Worst case is probably selecting a single maintainer that turns out to
be a bad choice, and be stuck. With groups, it's easier to adjust if
needed.

I'd argue that having a group would be substantially more robust,
especially since the pool of people are likely to come from industry
and not just LF. We're all pretty good at leaving company politics and
influence out of our community work, but it's still desirable to have
a bit of balance in the higher maintainer roles.

>> I also note that group maintainership seems only to work for you in
>> DRM; most of the other subsystems seem to have single leader
>> hierarchical maintainership.
>
> Arm-soc has a triumvirate doing round-robin releases/pull-requests.

x86 is spread among several people as well (in fact, we originally
based arm-soc on their model but over time the practical
implementation has drifted somewhat).


-Olof

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-06 20:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-06 19:44 James Bottomley
2018-09-06 19:47 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-06 19:51   ` James Bottomley
2018-09-06 20:06     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-06 20:35       ` Olof Johansson [this message]
2018-09-06 20:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-06 20:52           ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-08 10:47     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-08 10:50       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-08 12:21       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-09 13:56       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-09 20:05       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-06 19:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-06 20:51   ` James Bottomley
2018-09-06 20:59     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-06 21:13       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-06 21:20         ` Jens Axboe
2018-09-06 21:28           ` John W. Linville
2018-09-06 21:34             ` Jens Axboe
2018-09-06 21:41         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-06 22:12           ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-06 22:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-06 22:29           ` James Bottomley
2018-09-06 21:37       ` Olof Johansson

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