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[209.85.217.43]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 71dfb90a1353d-554d7ce706csm6113739e0c.0.2025.10.16.05.49.47 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Oct 2025 05:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vs1-f43.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-5aa6b7c085aso563599137.2 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 05:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCX6Pr+covE9StcR+O5QFbwi4t83UuuS9kxiRV5YqpOqBofMsQbXEHLcxxicz+4dno4pSIrXyoz1@lists.linux.dev X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3f0b:b0:523:759e:b0bf with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-5d7dd5ba685mr40028137.20.1760618987486; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 05:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <68ee73dcd10ee_2f89910075@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> <2025101448-overtake-mortality-99c8@gregkh> <68efd54da845e_2f89910071@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> <20251015-versed-active-silkworm-bb87bd@lemur> <2025101631-foyer-wages-8458@gregkh> <892a58917795bf5d29394bb5123dae2a6615ca08.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <2025101639-thwarting-press-f0f7@gregkh> <1de36a0c-a197-441d-82eb-29f96581a8b2@efficios.com> In-Reply-To: <1de36a0c-a197-441d-82eb-29f96581a8b2@efficios.com> From: Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 14:49:36 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AS18NWAP6Z9_B60tm06a2BKXvpy2xZsbpVlw8tNpN_SMmlnoDfDycXt0HJIanRI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers To: Mathieu Desnoyers Cc: Greg KH , James Bottomley , Linus Torvalds , Konstantin Ryabitsev , dan.j.williams@intel.com, Doug Anderson , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Matthieu, On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 at 14:35, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: > On 2025-10-16 08:18, Greg KH wrote: > [...] > > Be it a link: or a message-id, or something else that I > > can "set and forget" in my git hooks and so can all other maintainers. > > I can't help but keep thinking that we are trying to solve a problem > that is fundamentally just about namespacing with needlessly complex > technical solutions that will degrade the workflow of many maintainers > across the span of the entire Linux software development process. > > The "Link:" tag is unfortunately a bag of holding for all sorts of > links. So if Linus interprets the "Link:" tag as a link to relevant > URLs with an implied meaning "see also" or "more relevant info > here", then whatever else gets added under "Link:" with a different > purpose is seen as noise. > > One possible solution would be to introduce a new tag such as > "Link-Origin: https://..." or just "Origin: https://..." or > whatever better name we can collectively come up with. > > That way the semantic should be obvious to everyone. We already have a way to distinguish: - "Link: https://patch.msgid.link/... " for the original patch email, - "Link: https://lore.kernel.org/..." for e.g. the big upfront design discussion. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds