From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68F1ED37 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ua1-f67.google.com (mail-ua1-f67.google.com [209.85.222.67]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D37808B for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua1-f67.google.com with SMTP id y10-v6so5218397uao.4 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:13:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5c9c41b2-14f9-41cc-ae85-be9721f37c86@redhat.com> <20180904213340.GD16300@sasha-vm> <20180905081658.GB24902@quack2.suse.cz> <20180905085642.GA29931@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20180905085642.GA29931@kroah.com> From: Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 11:13:01 +0200 Message-ID: To: Greg KH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Stable trees and release time List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Greg, On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:56 AM Greg KH wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 10:32:45AM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > > But yeah, it's weak and doesn't solve the primary thing, which is just the > > size of stable itself. > > I've held off on responding so far, but I think this is the big point of > "fear" that many people seem to have with the stable updates over the > past years. > > Yes, the "size" is bigger than before, but that is because of the > following things: [...] > So yes, things are "bigger" than before, but still, overall, we are only > accepting a small percentage of patches that hit Linus's tree (12 > patches a day for stable vs. 216 a day for Linus). > > Are you also worried that Linus's tree is getting "bigger"? :) > > So we are larger than before, but this is a good thing, because we are > actually catching more problems than we were before. Which means your > older kernels had more bugs... > > Anyway, just a comment in that you should not "fear" the increased size, > it is to be expected as more people pay more attention to Linux, > combined with the fact that we are still growing. If the stable patches > were shrinking, then I would get worried as that would imply that people > don't care anymore. So we're slowly evolving to the point where distros/companies/... can just follow Linus' tree instead, and stable trees are no longer needed, except for the last released point version (no-one wants to run plain rc1 or rc2) ;-) Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds