From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-qt1-f177.google.com (mail-qt1-f177.google.com [209.85.160.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3474C7B; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-f177.google.com with SMTP id ay9so5274983qtb.0; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:11:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=WTvr6KrD1Ov/UIG2XSm8BCfmFEi/ZMG6lyU59pelPCU=; b=ek3R3/j69GdWMstgphH1ym1vRoQXZZOHdbuYg6yuKtEQrdsRtwtT2fGiePIbpwLUS2 b3dEfJpLkF14VtfDVQE/TMgsw0/sHEsdK0UsPxDacaWFGy9n3a/nz9dtexNv1vGdyRzn Ouj1KFankEqHe/uhu/SrrAFtzsRWVKHwMdCHJ80RnNdZxg8gATZ4RZp+2x5M/8asL4XH 2L3Q3Y0wA8qT9kD0WHfIgFKhLgbrE3nb6am2f7V6m54ZtK0+Dve+4EO/QK2cKMIsA7dd fMGBFH/YIxJiSdWRM9w96buWZoMrBH9wxqo02L5D7XBlDrO8diBL+rOTsYJ1qgw5zTmR 2ouw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0LeP5M1wthtBNpmYtx1J4IEighcCxR5LaJ0EUCvueBqj1+e7dT bq3TQ7EyWjv0AgmRFEAnIJ8ug1BWLuQu5g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7W/KoHtYio1fVUkEQUnbAsBlFQ98y8ozo+HrnoGQKGRdEQcbDvGTb2tdQ70E3z2xBfUFhQaQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7d4e:0:b0:35d:1b7f:8331 with SMTP id h14-20020ac87d4e000000b0035d1b7f8331mr13429667qtb.613.1664727064015; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb1-f175.google.com (mail-yb1-f175.google.com. [209.85.219.175]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r7-20020a05620a298700b006ce3e4fb328sm8763278qkp.42.2022.10.02.09.11.03 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-f175.google.com with SMTP id 81so3195860ybf.7; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:2c1:b0:6b2:8bb0:79a0 with SMTP id w1-20020a05690202c100b006b28bb079a0mr16557262ybh.202.1664727063295; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <9a2fdff8-d0d3-ebba-d344-3c1016237fe5@gmx.com> <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: From: Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 18:10:48 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" , Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg KH , Konstantin Ryabitsev , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 6:08 PM Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 2:49 PM Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > > The current ill-maintained semi-functional bugzilla has proven to be a > > ton more useful than random mailing lists no sane person can keep track > > of. Bug "reports", i.e. random emails are neglected and forgotten. LKML > > is the worst of them probably. > > Such a statement really needs to be backed by numbers... > > > Let's operate with some examples: > > > > Bugzilla gets around two dozen bug reports weekly which encompass at > > most thirty emails, which equals to four emails daily on average. > > This immediately debunks your statement above. > > $ git log v5.19..linus/master | grep Fixes: | wc -l > 2928 Sorry, this was using my grep = `grep --color=tty -i' alias. But that caused less than 100 false-positives, thus has no impact on the point I'm trying to make. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds