From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-qv1-f52.google.com (mail-qv1-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A772A17C1; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 06:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qv1-f52.google.com with SMTP id z18so6229399qvn.6; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 23:37:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Bk2C3u/t27y03cPLtgq1Q59OlKnnWoH0jHqzc388cwA=; b=DcrHv21e8thhA0MwlhBnrRb0Nx3BFz2yp6oOZyHgDOOVXYgcqkgO2Vos6ayPqx19Gz oiPhZKOUuUynZlyESf7jKrOXNfvRnJGoVITS9ROKbwxEg6B6uanut0qekRj1Y00cABwd qVTSiclpJxD/PPkb/nnHoK5gJdRAXqqA8ho7XuDGfpNEkJbvnjhHvq/MMzuZ9TRTlIit uChL70ZKj1lryfvkgZHWQgZFYOXz636190BrcK33SnRScyweKvB7maPL7wvPAxPM1Tse lrHkMH/9Hgalq+2dBx7NfQYRCQCC81XBtQztzTY66yA8Ia9ONohYE1cfUec8licc7W1g kNiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1KoeF1ZOI7AZAR+9J5r53tvnq2tayQ8LQuivVzGI0ws9KwIP2Y XujAJv+RySvndEv6a6L7H5Zcm+0PIHs+7w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6Ad9qSCkgoEvbJ2RK6GwX7J7zx04MMxzTpXuzRkD3Wsavz4ce4o4P/9R47sq0JlCpiIvkqyQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:966:b0:4ac:79c8:d37e with SMTP id do6-20020a056214096600b004ac79c8d37emr15345130qvb.79.1664779049167; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 23:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw1-f170.google.com (mail-yw1-f170.google.com. [209.85.128.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ay43-20020a05620a17ab00b006b945519488sm9989734qkb.88.2022.10.02.23.37.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Oct 2022 23:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f170.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-357208765adso56044537b3.12; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 23:37:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a81:848c:0:b0:356:e173:2c7a with SMTP id u134-20020a81848c000000b00356e1732c7amr10829162ywf.502.1664779047579; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 23:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> <20221002150522.ul4nbtfawqjhnsag@meerkat.local> <20221002205430.GC22129@1wt.eu> <20221002213235.GA22532@1wt.eu> <867b35b7-da2b-fed0-1f75-b2021d9be499@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <867b35b7-da2b-fed0-1f75-b2021d9be499@gmx.com> From: Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 08:37:09 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" Cc: Willy Tarreau , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "Theodore Ts'o" , Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg KH , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Artem, On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 11:54 PM Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > It's easy to join an existing bug report. Tell me how can I join an > existing email thread without being first subscribed to it? I certainly > can, absolute most people will not be able to. lore.kernel.org > What about sending large dump files? Should everyone on the mailing list > receive it? post a link > A bug report is a simple plain list of messages in a single place which > could be read with a web browser. An email thread is anything but. lore.kernel.org > Searching through many emails at once? Good luck with that. lore.kernel.org > Replying to a particular email? Good luck with that. lore.kernel.org > It looks like you're under the impression that every Linux user who is > willing to ever use Linux must: > > 1) Subscribe to _all_ the existing mailing lists (just in case - what if > you need to work on something which was started by someone else) lore.kernel.org > 2) Know the email etiquette Just Be Polite > 3) Learn to be persistent and resend (an unknown number of times) your > concerns hoping they will eventually be addressed. > > Bugzilla: sign up once. Follow up. If you file a dupe, hopefully it will > be marked as a dupe. Everyone's happy. No particular skills, email > clients, formatting, referencing, etc. etc. etc. Having at last the skill to provide a good rebug port would be nice... Now, back to work. The merge window has opened, so there will be bugs to report and/or fix... Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds