From: Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>
To: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
Cc: Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@sonymobile.com>,
"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
"riverful.kim@samsung.com" <riverful.kim@samsung.com>,
"kyungmin.park@samsung.com" <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Mainline kernel on a cellphone
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 16:34:48 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL_JsqLBPdiCgcE0CDesZXWQtthPJbZ8ryvcPmr6CaxWjMPFyA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACRpkda0u4tWKfXTa0OEV7nFuXWjpDBt222iTBbEhnqLZptJXw@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The WiFi side is actually in better shape than BT. With BT, we have
>> Bluedroid vs. BlueZ, no real DT bindings to describe BT chips (plenty
>> of examples of how not to do it[1]), and chip specific userspace
>> initialization (firmware loading, baudrate setup, power mgt).
>
> I was looking at it at one point and couldn't wrap my head around how
> the BT support was devised from a kernel point of view.
>
> It seems BT chips more often than not sit on a UART connection
> (often very high speed) and since there is no "uart bus" or "serial bus"
> akin to what we have for I2C or SPI, it is actually impossible to
> instantiate them properly in the driver model. Instead BT drivers
> are poked and peeked from userspace using the line discipline as
> if they were some kind of modem, just in-kernel.
Yes, but then there's always some side band signals for regulator
control, reset, clocks, wake-up, rf-kill, etc. that needs a glue
driver. There's been some work by Neil Brown to create a UART slave
bus[1] and I've gotten several other UART device bindings recently,
but they all suffer from being one off device bindings done in
different ways and I want to see something common here.
It also seems the BT folks are working on moving more of the setup
into the kernel and creating a proper subsystem. I'm not sure about
the details on that.
Rob
[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/643878/
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-23 10:57 Pavel Machek
2015-07-23 11:21 ` Linus Walleij
2015-07-23 12:14 ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-23 12:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 15:40 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-28 22:09 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-28 23:07 ` Bjorn Andersson
2015-07-31 16:18 ` Rob Herring
2015-07-31 16:56 ` Bjorn Andersson
2015-08-11 9:34 ` Johannes Berg
2015-07-31 17:25 ` Tim Bird
2015-08-03 15:29 ` John W. Linville
2015-08-03 7:42 ` Linus Walleij
2015-08-03 21:34 ` Rob Herring [this message]
2015-08-03 22:36 ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-08-05 8:40 ` Linus Walleij
2015-08-05 8:46 ` Linus Walleij
2015-08-05 9:11 ` Samuel Ortiz
2015-08-05 11:54 ` Pavel Machek
2015-08-05 9:09 ` Samuel Ortiz
2015-08-05 17:19 ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-08-05 16:02 ` Rob Herring
2015-08-05 17:00 ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-08-07 12:40 ` Linus Walleij
2015-07-29 0:45 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-07-29 6:12 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-29 7:40 ` Pavel Machek
2015-08-25 18:59 ` Tim Bird
2015-08-26 1:22 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-26 4:25 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-08-26 4:52 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-26 5:30 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-26 5:33 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-26 6:15 ` Josh Triplett
2015-08-26 7:23 ` Heiko Stuebner
2015-08-26 8:05 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-28 8:20 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-08-26 11:33 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-26 12:56 ` Jason Cooper
2015-08-26 13:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-26 13:58 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-08-26 14:51 ` Jason Cooper
2015-08-26 17:13 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-08-26 20:09 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-08-28 7:44 ` Pavel Machek
2015-08-28 8:42 ` Heiko Stuebner
2015-08-29 15:47 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-29 8:18 ` Heiko Stübner
2015-07-29 0:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-29 6:43 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-29 17:42 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-29 7:14 ` Bintian
2015-07-29 18:07 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-31 1:50 ` Bintian
2015-07-23 20:29 ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-23 20:34 ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-24 4:34 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-24 6:00 ` Tony Lindgren
2015-07-24 22:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-28 22:03 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-29 0:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-29 23:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-29 23:59 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-30 0:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-31 17:55 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-01 0:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-23 21:00 ` josh
2015-07-23 21:29 ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-29 13:32 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-31 12:22 ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-31 17:52 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-31 22:03 ` Pavel Machek
2015-08-01 10:55 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-01 19:03 ` Pavel Machek
2015-08-04 17:17 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-03 5:33 ` Tony Lindgren
2015-07-23 13:23 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-07-23 21:56 ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-24 1:37 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-07-24 4:40 ` Kyungmin Park
2015-07-23 14:48 ` Shuah Khan
2015-07-23 15:08 ` Heiko Stübner
2015-08-04 19:39 ` Pavel Machek
2015-08-05 7:05 ` Bintian
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