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From: Simona Vetter <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	 Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	 James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	 "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" <ksummit@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 12:16:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKMK7uG7DjduHj7hjFi2sk11UqbFcZHuXBF_+Ea7SKbV15e00Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251015182245.05c28887@gandalf.local.home>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 at 00:22, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 00:01:38 +0200
> Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
>
> > So yeah, circling back to "benevolent" -- for me, this has definitely
> > broken the "benevolent" part and a lot of trust. But that's fine, I can
> > also do a job that heavily resolves around following a manager's
> > arbitrary whims. But my heart won't be in it.
>
> Yes it does appear that we all have extra work to do because one person
> doesn't like the current method. I don't think I saw anyone else complain
> about the "useless" link either. Maybe I missed it. But currently it's all
> been "Alright, fine, I'll work around this" and not one "Oh Great! This is
> most definitely helpful!", like what happened when Linus created "git".
>
> I'm currently looking for someone to help me with my maintainership. Masami
> came on board, but what happened was that he basically maintains all things
> "probe" related and I do everything else. That split still takes up more
> time than we have designated.
>
> Unfortunately, I've had many people say to me "I don't ever want to be a
> top level maintainer" and "better you than me", which makes it very
> difficult to find a helper. This discussion isn't helping with that
> perspective either.

+1 on both Steve's observation and Johannes' entire mail.
-Sima
-- 
Simona Vetter
Software Engineer
http://blog.ffwll.ch

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-16 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-13 11:53 James Bottomley
2025-10-13 12:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-13 12:48   ` James Bottomley
2025-10-13 12:50   ` Mark Brown
2025-10-13 14:52   ` Guenter Roeck
2025-10-13 17:36   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-14 19:12   ` Johannes Berg
2025-10-14 19:35     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-15 22:01       ` Johannes Berg
2025-10-15 22:22         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-16 10:16           ` Simona Vetter [this message]
2025-10-16 12:18             ` Hans de Goede
2025-10-16 18:39           ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-16  7:43         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-14 20:23     ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-16  8:08     ` Dan Carpenter
2025-10-13 15:40 ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-13 16:31   ` James Bottomley
2025-10-13 17:39     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-13 17:50       ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-10-13 19:07         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 19:20           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-13 19:35             ` James Bottomley
2025-10-13 19:37               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 19:36             ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 20:34             ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-13 20:36               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 20:58               ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-10-13 20:59               ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-13 21:46                 ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-14 14:23                   ` Sasha Levin
2025-10-14 11:09               ` Mark Brown
2025-10-13 19:35           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-14 16:01   ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-14 17:46     ` Greg KH
2025-10-14 17:57       ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-15 17:09       ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-15 17:55         ` James Bottomley
2025-10-15 18:04           ` Luck, Tony
2025-10-15 18:37         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-10-15 19:13           ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-15 19:15           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-15 19:17             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-15 22:51               ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-16  4:26                 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2025-10-16  6:57               ` Greg KH
2025-10-16 10:04                 ` Jani Nikula
2025-10-16 11:54                 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 12:18                   ` Greg KH
2025-10-16 12:29                     ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 13:00                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-10-16 13:47                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-16 14:36                         ` Mark Brown
2025-10-16 14:58                         ` Rob Herring
2025-10-16 15:07                           ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 15:36                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-16 15:52                               ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 15:37                             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-16 19:29                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-16 19:32                             ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 23:53                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-16 19:09                         ` James Bottomley
2025-10-17  2:27                           ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-17  8:44                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-17  9:21                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-17 10:09                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-16 12:34                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-16 12:49                       ` Mark Brown
2025-10-16 12:49                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-16 12:54                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-16 13:07                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-16 12:51                       ` Jiri Kosina
2025-10-16 12:54                         ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 13:51                           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-16 16:21                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-16 12:20                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-15 21:29             ` Kees Cook
2025-10-15 21:40             ` Mark Brown

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