From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 463001076 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it1-f177.google.com (mail-it1-f177.google.com [209.85.166.177]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8E8BF8 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it1-f177.google.com with SMTP id c85-v6so4807137itd.1 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:26:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180924181138.GA16086@tuxdriver.com> In-Reply-To: From: Daniel Vetter Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 06:26:22 +0200 Message-ID: To: Thomas Gleixner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cc09790576aa8266" Cc: olof@lxom.net, ksummit , Greg Kroah-Hartman Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH-TOPIC] Review - Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --000000000000cc09790576aa8266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thomas Gleixner schrieb am Di., 25. Sep. 2018, 00:22: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Olof Johansson wrote: > > Ah yes, Popper's Paradox. The answer is not that we have to be > > tolerant of the intolerant -- or at least not infinitely. We also all > > know that people need a bit of time to adjust to new habits and I > > think we should focus more on (quick) improvement over time than > > absolutes. We're all humans. > > That's the important point here: we are _all_ humans. That includes those > who occasionally lose their temper (I know what I'm talking about and I > know for sure that it is a life long struggle to control it). > > If someone puts that person in his place, that's absolutely correct and > necessary. Most people immediately react, regret and apologize and they > mean it. > > Now if someone gets put in his place and the person who does that then goes > one step further and asks (privately) what's wrong and what caused that > pointless explosion, in other words deeply cares about the other person who > failed, then a way deeper change happens than just using the Code of > Conflict/Conduct as a one edged sword. > All this coc asks you to do is stop putting yourself first and start considering others. Instead of lashing out and then expecting your recipients to also handle the fallout for, plus showing deep empathy for the harassment they just received. > > Then 'be excellent to each other' becomes what it's really meant to be. Seems rather one way instead of mutual, what you have in mind. -Daniel > > Thanks, > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss > --000000000000cc09790576aa8266 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


= Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.d= e> schrieb am Di., 25. Sep. 2018, 00:22:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Olof Johansson wrote:
> Ah yes, Popper's Paradox. The answer is not that we have to be
> tolerant of the intolerant -- or at least not infinitely. We also all<= br> > know that people need a bit of time to adjust to new habits and I
> think we should focus more on (quick) improvement over time than
> absolutes. We're all humans.

That's the important point here: we are _all_ humans. That includes tho= se
who occasionally lose their temper (I know what I'm talking about and I=
know for sure that it is a life long struggle to control it).

If someone puts that person in his place, that's absolutely correct and=
necessary. Most people immediately react, regret and apologize and they
mean it.

Now if someone gets put in his place and the person who does that then goes=
one step further and asks (privately) what's wrong and what caused that=
pointless explosion, in other words deeply cares about the other person who=
failed, then a way deeper change happens than just using the Code of
Conflict/Conduct as a one edged sword.


All this = coc asks you to do is stop putting yourself first and start considering oth= ers. Instead of lashing out and then expecting your recipients to also hand= le the fallout for, plus showing deep empathy for the harassment they just = received.

Then 'be excellent to each other' becomes what it's really mean= t to be.
Seems rather one way ins= tead of mutual, what you have in mind.
-Daniel
=

Thanks,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thomas
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