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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Shuah Khan <shuah.kh@samsung.com>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Fix devm_kzalloc, its users, or both
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 13:59:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKMK7uEcLMMXt4ff1_He6UBiu82VmVbNr9Srm97RXPY0P0sp9w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uHuzcv8M=Zd3Rk1kcvaGFj12FiXi_H+CjhpP4MAYRCtgw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh and it's not just file->ops, it's also vma->ops, dma_buf->ops,
fence->ops and anything else that could be shared with other parts of
the kernel. But I think file->ops is a good first candidate since it's
the most widespread thing, so should uncover a lot of the common
troubles. And a lot of the bugs will be fixed by just taking care of
file->ops.
-Daniel


On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux
> <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>> A solution to that would be to drop something like a read-write lock into
>> almost all f_op methods, which sounds expensive to me in the general case.
>
> srcu is what I considered since it would be least intrusive and shifts
> the overall all to the write. The problem of course is that if you do
> that then there will be deadlock gallore - suddenly anything called
> from f->ops can stall code called from ->remove. And looking at how
> regularly we have lockdep splat in the driver unload code just in i915
> that will be really painful.
>
> But I don't see anything else that would work and which would be
> semantically different from a reader/writer lock. There's an
> additional problem that we need to guarantee that everyone completes
> f->ops in finite time, which is a problem if you have blockings
> ioctls. And that's a deadlock lockdep won't catch (in general at
> least). For i915 that won't be a problem since because of the gpu
> reset all our waiting is done interruptibly and all ioctls can be
> restarted (userspace has to do it, it's part of the drm abi contract).
> But even for drivers who can't do that and might deadlock I think a
> deadlock in ->remove is better than randomly oopsing somewhere later
> on because some f->ops is accessing freed memory.
> -Daniel
> --
> Daniel Vetter
> Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
> +41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch



-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
+41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-04 11:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-31 15:14 Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-31 15:56 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-31 16:34 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-31 16:51   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 16:57     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-31 17:03       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 16:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-31 17:02     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 17:05       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 17:13         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 17:33           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 17:36             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 18:28               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 18:40                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 19:41                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-01 10:57                     ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 14:05                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 14:21                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-01 11:04     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 11:21       ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-04 12:55         ` Dan Carpenter
2015-08-04 14:01           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-04 17:55           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 18:03             ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-04 18:07               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 19:49             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-31 17:04 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-31 17:27   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-01 10:55     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 16:30       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 23:33         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 10:47   ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 10:55     ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-01 11:01       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 15:18         ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-02  0:48           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-08-02 14:30             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 16:04               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-08-04 10:40               ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:18                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-04 11:56                   ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:59                     ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2015-08-04 14:48                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 22:44                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-05  9:41                       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 10:49               ` Takashi Iwai
2015-08-10  7:58 ` Linus Walleij
2015-08-10 10:23   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-11 11:35     ` Takashi Iwai
2015-08-11 15:19       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-21  2:19 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 15:07   ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-21 16:14     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 16:58       ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 17:30         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 17:41           ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 17:52             ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 18:05               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 18:18                 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-12 18:36                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-12 18:44                     ` Mark Brown
2015-10-14 15:58                       ` Theodore Ts'o

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