From: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Shuah Khan <shuah.kh@samsung.com>,
"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Fix devm_kzalloc, its users, or both
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 13:59:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKMK7uEcLMMXt4ff1_He6UBiu82VmVbNr9Srm97RXPY0P0sp9w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uHuzcv8M=Zd3Rk1kcvaGFj12FiXi_H+CjhpP4MAYRCtgw@mail.gmail.com>
Oh and it's not just file->ops, it's also vma->ops, dma_buf->ops,
fence->ops and anything else that could be shared with other parts of
the kernel. But I think file->ops is a good first candidate since it's
the most widespread thing, so should uncover a lot of the common
troubles. And a lot of the bugs will be fixed by just taking care of
file->ops.
-Daniel
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux
> <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>> A solution to that would be to drop something like a read-write lock into
>> almost all f_op methods, which sounds expensive to me in the general case.
>
> srcu is what I considered since it would be least intrusive and shifts
> the overall all to the write. The problem of course is that if you do
> that then there will be deadlock gallore - suddenly anything called
> from f->ops can stall code called from ->remove. And looking at how
> regularly we have lockdep splat in the driver unload code just in i915
> that will be really painful.
>
> But I don't see anything else that would work and which would be
> semantically different from a reader/writer lock. There's an
> additional problem that we need to guarantee that everyone completes
> f->ops in finite time, which is a problem if you have blockings
> ioctls. And that's a deadlock lockdep won't catch (in general at
> least). For i915 that won't be a problem since because of the gpu
> reset all our waiting is done interruptibly and all ioctls can be
> restarted (userspace has to do it, it's part of the drm abi contract).
> But even for drivers who can't do that and might deadlock I think a
> deadlock in ->remove is better than randomly oopsing somewhere later
> on because some f->ops is accessing freed memory.
> -Daniel
> --
> Daniel Vetter
> Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
> +41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch
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Daniel Vetter
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-08-04 11:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-31 15:14 Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-31 15:56 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-31 16:34 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-31 16:51 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 16:57 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-31 17:03 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 16:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-31 17:02 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 17:05 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 17:13 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 17:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 17:36 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 18:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 18:40 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 19:41 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-01 10:57 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 14:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 14:21 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-01 11:04 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 11:21 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-04 12:55 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-08-04 14:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-04 17:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 18:03 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-04 18:07 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 19:49 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-31 17:04 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-31 17:27 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-01 10:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 16:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 23:33 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 10:47 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 10:55 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-01 11:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 15:18 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-02 0:48 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-08-02 14:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 16:04 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-08-04 10:40 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:18 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-04 11:56 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:59 ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2015-08-04 14:48 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 22:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-05 9:41 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 10:49 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-08-10 7:58 ` Linus Walleij
2015-08-10 10:23 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-11 11:35 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-08-11 15:19 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-21 2:19 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 15:07 ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-21 16:14 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 16:58 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 17:30 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 17:41 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 17:52 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 18:05 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 18:18 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-12 18:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-12 18:44 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-14 15:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
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