From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-ej1-f52.google.com (mail-ej1-f52.google.com [209.85.218.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB46831A71 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 19:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux-foundation.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linuxfoundation.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux-foundation.org header.i=@linux-foundation.org header.b="DubXz9pL" Received: by mail-ej1-f52.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-9becde9ea7bso274196066b.0 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; t=1698263045; x=1698867845; darn=lists.linux.dev; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=JeXrnJe8xvNfcrNS9vywqBs8RswX60g4RVbYr0154Ac=; b=DubXz9pLLxk6NB125Um+cKXdxzYLvFDULY/ag9jJ7rM+se0N1XAjd1r5wgHpXqG/xv /CJcHF+7VKEUPBjqb6qN4nD3NbzlbyYrthaxVkFnLCjcZ2fwQ9Wt9++wPZjYBuYIfJGK vFjCJ754v6Kyrvacfdy+BbAhJOFb/eIzPkrzw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1698263045; x=1698867845; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=JeXrnJe8xvNfcrNS9vywqBs8RswX60g4RVbYr0154Ac=; b=jFVUDnwu+T4suod5AYOydE8PgRFH+5MQ2sOdcYG/+DD/ErIF/LrODTToc3/khptuXj FGtJxNHOWXPBS+RPcdQy/rmG1E2JrWbBg+fB2o3k3JGVBT2vCh94gnnIxp50HddpJJ81 tHaSK0fzNf5RPzfuK7CgX4vKMUGqqe71sLZZA05mCFWJqfKUw22KnMKXnzwIBaJTlABO P7zfAy8CoTbc8i2y0x8E/Hp5ZbVDfChIWPUUpt4ElVRfAEPMyOQkih2LbYu71fntcpiW W7IGFpBvZr+8eW11AgtnvtljzVuouUp5ZkZASDEMmEjqYMGzrwOLM3t6Tq6Coty+4mBR zbhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzGd3wxASxsHyCuoOVXIgNmez853TLIifew9nS/L6WcKzBIeft1 bzcby+MWkMx6r75ukk6Avy7dKxisT/JoS0ut0ug26ZBI X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF2AI+GcH8oCKVsS/SOjyF2ERJ6m1nBgzS3b5eXZML18EGoFzfg25f6fkeaRoB1Wu8iKyvdYw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:9618:b0:9b2:be2f:e31a with SMTP id gb24-20020a170907961800b009b2be2fe31amr707506ejc.31.1698263044850; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 12:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-f46.google.com (mail-ej1-f46.google.com. [209.85.218.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jg36-20020a170907972400b0099d798a6bb5sm10476244ejc.67.2023.10.25.12.44.03 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Oct 2023 12:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-f46.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-9adb9fa7200so22893166b.0 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 12:44:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:9492:b0:9ad:8a9e:23ee with SMTP id dm18-20020a170907949200b009ad8a9e23eemr587581ejc.13.1698263043242; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 12:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <369bc919-1a1d-4f37-9cc9-742a86a41282@kadam.mountain> <20231023114949.34fc967988c354547f79c4e7@linux-foundation.org> <8ca50d4c-3c96-4efa-a111-fca04d580ab5@kernel.org> <169818295461.20306.14022136719064683486@noble.neil.brown.name> <53c584c21f273548004a7ddb5aa4c04ec7bca1c5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <87fs1y8xkl.fsf@intel.com> <893b8cc27684a03865dbf9517a4cbf1bd132950a.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20231025141030.63acb006@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <20231025141030.63acb006@gandalf.local.home> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:43:45 -1000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: KTODO automated TODO lists To: Steven Rostedt Cc: James Bottomley , Jani Nikula , NeilBrown , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Andrew Morton , Dan Carpenter , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, outreachy@lists.linux.dev, kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 08:10, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > I think this is the key issue. We only want the context of an email that is > being responded to present, and the rest trimmed. Automated trimming or > collapsing doesn't do this well. It's not just about MUA's that hide things. The MUA _I_ use hides excessive quoting, but then when I look at the results on lore I often get completely unreadable results because somebody quoted several hundred lines of patch or whatever. And then I scrolling through the thread is suddenly a major PITA. So I do think that the whole excessive quoting on the lists should just be a hard no, the same way html is. Linus