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[209.85.208.51]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-b55d5cad8adsm1006153066b.7.2025.10.13.12.20.30 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f51.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-634b774f135so7289873a12.2 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:20:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWYnSpRR1XUpZeCBR12juSTHvbcxIYe+cWKe29q1wB4I9oiyv4n0uhGST/eQjSb61Ut557RLhIk@lists.linux.dev X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:518a:b0:628:7716:357c with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-639d5c4fe6fmr18881150a12.25.1760383230452; Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20251013133913.015f253b@gandalf.local.home> <20251013175031.GJ354523@mit.edu> <7EE2713D-7612-4EAC-9E4E-225A92FEC9D3@zytor.com> In-Reply-To: <7EE2713D-7612-4EAC-9E4E-225A92FEC9D3@zytor.com> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:20:14 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AS18NWCM61Me3wXehXYYZh3uW0-DEg3xlg6zIEDz71I5P67I1b2Prjnj9bBl838 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers To: "H. Peter Anvin" Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" , Steven Rostedt , James Bottomley , Doug Anderson , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 at 12:07, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > This was the *original* definition that I proposed, which was vetoed by Linus because it didn't provide a clickable experience. Yeah., I still don't believe that Message-ID is any better than a link. And the only believable argument *for* this all is the "one-click experience". Because I still believe that "if you use tools, then 'b4 dig' is better than *any* pointless tag that just is entirely redundant and only cuts down on the available information". So the one-click argument actually resonates with me, even if that is very obviously not the workflow I use. At least I *understand* that argument. All the other arguments seem just disingenuous in that they literally give less useful information than "b4 dig" does. "more noise for less information" is not a good argument in my book. Linus