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[209.85.218.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-b72bf40768fsm1160701266b.23.2025.11.10.11.36.17 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Nov 2025 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ej1-f46.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-b72dc0c15abso458719866b.1 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2025 11:36:17 -0800 (PST) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUY3wLdhSooXyuwGdc92687W5QQugJ9ilPkfC/o3G5f/K8CWkrOPi8X66y9hGYUCA0Qvpnx12dl@lists.linux.dev X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:1355:b0:b72:eb03:9322 with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-b72eb0393acmr666007766b.15.1762803376534; Mon, 10 Nov 2025 11:36:16 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20251105231514.3167738-1-dave.hansen@linux.intel.com> <653b4187-ec4f-4f5d-ae76-d37f46070cb4@suse.cz> <20251110-weiht-etablieren-39e7b63ef76d@brauner> <20251110172507.GA21641@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> In-Reply-To: From: Linus Torvalds Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 11:36:00 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_bmIQjBbP-mWv2JFFWotDHPz9N5F1IH58uHH12wUDflk5iKlAp9e5SKychk Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v2] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content To: "H. Peter Anvin" Cc: Mike Rapoport , Laurent Pinchart , Christian Brauner , Dave Hansen , Vlastimil Babka , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "workflows@vger.kernel.org" , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" , Steven Rostedt , Dan Williams , "Theodore Ts'o" , Sasha Levin , Jonathan Corbet , Kees Cook , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Miguel Ojeda , Shuah Khan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 at 11:18, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > Copyright reasons, mainly. I really don't see the argument. The copyright issues are all true for all other code too. In fact, the copyright issues are a thing whether tools were involved or not. Copyright is *always* a thing. We have a fair chunk of actual generated "new" code, whether it is the millions of lines of register descriptions from hardware companies, or it's the millions of lines of unicode data. (Ok, the unicode data is just a few thousand lines, I exaggerate. But we really do have several million lines AMD GPU headers that must have been generated from hw descriptors, and there we didn't even ask for the tool or the source, just for the usual copyright sign-off). I really don't see what makes AI generated content so special. Yes, I think you need to specify what the tool was and what the conditions were for the change, but again - none of that is actually new in ANY way. This all feels like the usual AI hype-fest. Because THAT is the thing that is truly special about AI. The hype, and the billions and billions of dollars. I claim that copyright is no different just because it was artificial. What's the copyright difference between artificial intelligence and good oldfashioned wetware that isn't documented by "I used this tool and these sources". It's just another tool, guys. It's one that makes some people a lot of money, and yes, it will change society. But it's still just a tool. Linus