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[209.85.208.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v24-20020a170906489800b009b2ba067b37sm4333122ejq.202.2023.11.13.10.49.24 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-f41.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-54394328f65so7362310a12.3 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:49:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:3483:b0:540:1bc0:65b2 with SMTP id v3-20020a056402348300b005401bc065b2mr6692404edc.10.1699901363732; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:49:23 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Linus Torvalds Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:49:06 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Prep? To: ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Jonathan Corbet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" So it's entirely possible that I'm not on the right lists, so I haven't seen an agenda for Thursday's maintainer summit yet. But what happens every year is that one of the slots is the "how is it working for Linus" thing, and every year I end up saying that it's working well for *me*, and that the real question should be what the pain points for *others* are. So since my travel starts tomorrow (it turns out that Richmond is not a lively transportation hub, and getting there from the West coast takes most of the day and I didn't want to risk a lost connection and not even make it in time), I thought I'd ask for some kind of prep for that slot, assuming it's there. And I'm not saying that I personally *am* one of the pain points, but hey, I'm also not saying that it's impossible, so I'm also cc'ing Jon explicitly in case he'd be willing to gather anonymous entries and people feel uncomfortable emailing me about their issues. Now, I know some of you definitely have no problem at all telling me I have issues, but let's not assume that holds for everybody. I didn't ask Jon before, so here goes: Jonathan? Would you be willing to take some input from people, and just scrub the names off it, and forward some kind of word cloud of issues (or honestly, just the otherwise unedited emails) to me? I think people see you as neutral enough that nobody would worry about any collusion here... I'm not asking for more than "a bullet point or two about what is a main concern". And hey, anybody who is comfortable with it - feel free to just email me directly too. But I would suggest *not* replying to the list, because what I don't want to see is some kind of discussion of people *together*, but literally hear *individual* concerns, to see what the problem points on people's minds are (ie explicitly not some kind of "Oh, yeah, that's a good point" reaction to what somebody else brought up). Maybe nobody answers. Maybe there are no obvious patterns of commonalities. And don't get me wrong - despite that "I hope you can email Jon" thing, I'm not looking explicitly for "the problem is you, Linus" comments, but just "what's the biggest issue(s) that annoys you in the daily grind". Jon would hopefully be an option just for people who are shy and want to be a bit more indirect about it. On that "people who are shy" note: I do wish we could have less of a "loud people talking" set of sessions. That was one of the comments last year. I don't think any of us are really shrinking violets / wallflowers, but we definitely have people who are more inclined to talk over others than some others. As one of the loud people myself, it's not been much of an issue for me personally, but I think it would be good to have some kind of moderation. Anyway, that's my small attempt at having *some* prep for Thursday, Linus