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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	 James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	 Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:15:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgNP7uXWcpGe7Owp-TePruH_S3jH38h=W2-YvbD9Mgz_Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZQnQMobKwIbBTL9h@casper.infradead.org>

On Tue, 19 Sept 2023 at 09:45, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> What I was trying to say was that if the buffer cache actually supported
> it, large folios and buffer_heads wouldn't perform horribly together,
> unless you had a badly fragmented file.

I think it would work in theory... I don't see a _practical_ example
of a filesystem that would use it, but maybe you had something
specific in mind?

> eg you could allocate a 256kB folio, then ask the filesystem to
> create buffer_heads for it, and maybe it would come back with a list
> of four buffer_heads, the first representing the extent from 0-32kB,
> the second 32kB-164kB, the third 164kB-252kB and the fourth 252kB-256kB.
> Wherever there were physical discontiguities in the file.

That *is* technically something that the buffer cache supports, but I
don't think it has ever been done.

So while it's technically possible, it's never been tested, so it
would almost certainly show some (potentially serious) issues.

And we obviously don't have the helper functions to create such a list
of buffer heads (ie all the existing "grow buffers" just take one size
and create a uniform set of buffers in the page/folio).

                 Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-19 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-30 14:07 Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-05 23:06 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-05 23:23   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-06  2:09     ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-06 15:06       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 15:59         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 19:09         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-08  8:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-07  0:46     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-09 12:50     ` James Bottomley
2023-09-09 15:44       ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-10 19:51         ` James Bottomley
2023-09-10 20:19           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10 21:15           ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-11  3:10           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-11 19:03             ` James Bottomley
2023-09-12  0:23               ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-12 16:52             ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-09 22:42       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10  8:19         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-10  8:37           ` Bernd Schubert
2023-09-10 16:35           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10 17:26             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-10 17:35               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-11  1:05         ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-11  1:29           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-11  2:07             ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-11 13:35               ` David Disseldorp
2023-09-11 17:45                 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-11 19:11                   ` David Disseldorp
2023-09-11 23:05                 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-26  5:24           ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-09-08  8:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08 22:47     ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-06 22:32 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-06 22:54   ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07  0:53     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-07  3:14       ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07  1:53     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07  2:22       ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07  2:51         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07  3:26           ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07  8:04             ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2023-09-07 10:29               ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-07 11:18                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2023-09-07 12:04                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07 12:57                   ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-07 13:56                     ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-08  8:44                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-07  3:38           ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07 11:18             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-13 16:43               ` Eric Sandeen
2023-09-13 16:58                 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-13 17:03                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-15 22:48                   ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-16 19:44                     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-16 21:50                     ` James Bottomley
2023-09-17  1:40                       ` NeilBrown
2023-09-17 17:30                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-17 18:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-17 18:57                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-17 19:45                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 11:14                               ` Jan Kara
2023-09-18 17:26                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 19:32                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2023-09-18 19:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 20:50                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-18 22:48                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 20:33                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-19  4:56                                   ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-25  9:43                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-27 22:23                                 ` Dave Kleikamp
2023-09-19  1:15                           ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-19  5:17                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 16:34                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-19 16:45                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 17:15                                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2023-09-19 22:57                               ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-18 14:54                       ` Bill O'Donnell
2023-09-19  2:44                       ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-19 16:57                         ` James Bottomley
2023-09-25  9:38                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-25 14:14                     ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-25 16:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-07  9:48       ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-07 11:04         ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-07 11:22           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07 12:24             ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-07 11:23           ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-07 12:30             ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-12  9:50               ` Richard Biener
2023-10-23  5:19                 ` Eric Gallager
2023-09-08  8:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08  8:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08 23:21       ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07  0:48   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-07  3:07     ` Guenter Roeck

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