From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
NeilBrown <neilb@ownmail.net>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
workflows@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v3] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 16:06:35 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wg0sdh_OF8zgFD-f6o9yFRK=tDOXhB1JAxfs11W9bX--Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c74353c-40de-4d0b-a517-92a94f8b4af8@lucifer.local>
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 at 13:20, Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> Thinking LLMs are 'just another tool' is to say effectively that the kernel
> is immune from this. Which seems to me a silly position.
No. Your position is the silly one.
There is *zero* point in talking about AI slop. That's just plain stupid.
Why? Because the AI slop people aren't going to document their patches
as such. That's such an obvious truism that I don't understand why
anybody even brings up AI slop.
So stop this idiocy.
The documentation is for good actors, and pretending anything else is
pointless posturing.
As I said in private elsewhere, I do *not* want any kernel development
documentation to be some AI statement. We have enough people on both
sides of the "sky is falling" and "it's going to revolutionize
software engineering", I don't want some kernel development docs to
take either stance.
It's why I strongly want this to be that "just a tool" statement.
And the AI slop issue is *NOT* going to be solved with documentation,
and anybody who thinks it is either just naive, or wants to "make a
statement".
Neither of which is a good reason for documentation.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-08 0:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-06 20:51 Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-07 18:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 19:18 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 21:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 21:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 11:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 18:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 22:39 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 23:50 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-08 10:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:43 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 11:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:06 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2026-01-08 10:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:20 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 10:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:17 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 13:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 15:58 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 16:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:10 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:50 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 20:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 5:42 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 7:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 7:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 11:00 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 11:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-12 15:06 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 18:34 ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-09 19:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 20:45 ` Jens Axboe
2026-01-08 21:04 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-09 5:29 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 7:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 8:54 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-01-09 15:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:33 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-10 15:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-01-10 15:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-10 16:02 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-10 16:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-12 19:02 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-08 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:48 ` Julia Lawall
2026-01-08 15:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 16:42 ` Sasha Levin
2026-01-08 17:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:27 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 19:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:30 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-09 16:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:16 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <42192F04-2C46-4734-8CF6-DEA8739989C3@hohndel.org>
2026-01-08 10:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:41 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-01-08 13:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:00 ` SeongJae Park
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-14 18:35 Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:08 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-11-14 22:52 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:17 ` SeongJae Park
2025-11-14 22:53 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 23:19 ` dan.j.williams
2025-11-15 15:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-15 19:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 23:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-16 12:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-11-16 15:25 ` Kees Cook
2025-11-16 16:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-23 16:55 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-12-23 17:10 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-12-23 20:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-24 15:41 ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-24 16:23 ` Simon Glass
2025-11-16 16:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-17 19:13 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-15 19:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 20:10 ` Randy Dunlap
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