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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@sirena.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Secure/verified boot and roots of trust
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:26:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jJxObcLXb+S8bq6jGa_xWtDUX2Z=8Jo-Mzy_qsLZBxDxg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXj=fSM2ahO-QSBse4rzv3f6D8_vet+J0cftMzODS0ePg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2016-08-03 at 09:46 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> [...]
>>> And it gets rid of the IMO extremely nasty temporary key.  I
>>> personally think that reproducible builds would add considerable value
>>> to many use cases, and we currently can't simultaneously support
>>> reproducible builds and Secure Boot without a big mess involving
>>> trusted parties, and the whole point of reproducible builds is to
>>> avoid needed to trust the packager.
>> [...]
>>
>> You need that trusted party to supply a signature for the kernel, so
>> why is it so much worse to have them do that for the modules as well?
>>
>
> For Chromium-like setups, I don't think the kernel is signed as such
> -- it's verified (by hash?  by loading from trusted storage?) and
> executed.

The kernel (and command line) are in a single partition with a signed
hash which the bootloader verifies before running the kernel.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Brillo & Chrome OS Security

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-04  5:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-03  2:58 Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03  3:24 ` Kees Cook
2016-08-03  3:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03  4:34   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03  4:42     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-08-03  4:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03  5:15     ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03  8:33 ` Alexandre Belloni
2016-08-03 10:31 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-03 10:43 ` David Howells
2016-08-03 16:46   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 17:17     ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03 17:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 17:26         ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03 17:28           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 18:00         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-08-03 23:01     ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-03 23:22       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-04  5:26         ` Kees Cook [this message]
2016-08-17 11:38       ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-17 13:03         ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-17 16:11           ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-18 12:28             ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-03 12:42 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 17:04   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 17:23     ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03 17:29       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 22:09     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]       ` <CALCETrVpCnfOJ2aXkNsOXatQAF6NG-AcJpxeYfA9wG_t2ocykg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrWgS0XObzxfQWQbyntVEn6QF81K2TVbS4bGNyN6EcYb_A@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-03 22:39           ` Andy Lutomirski

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