From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65C7B113A for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 02:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi1-f170.google.com (mail-oi1-f170.google.com [209.85.167.170]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB0EA6C5 for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 02:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi1-f170.google.com with SMTP id 203so6569367oid.13 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 19:42:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <96c97a27-83a2-b86c-2880-984c9fa6d4b5@linuxfoundation.org> <20190531021421.GA8123@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20190531021421.GA8123@mit.edu> From: Matthew Wilcox Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:42:34 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003f5b2e058a25f898" Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --0000000000003f5b2e058a25f898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd be interested to know how this compares to Dawn Foster's work that was presented last year: https://ossna18.sched.com/event/FAON/kernel-mailing-list-collaboration-dawn= -m-foster-the-scale-factory On Thu., May 30, 2019, 22:15 Theodore Ts'o, wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 04:19:20PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: > > We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? How > > effective are we in communicating with each other? > > > > I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to > > get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we > > could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or no= t > > we talk in code while we talk code. > > > > We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Computer > > Engineering, Polytechnique Montr=C3=A9al to tell us about Sentimine, > > which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing > > communication in open source communities. It will include a short surve= y > > focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception. > > Hi Shuah, > > If the goal is to get Isabella's ideas more exposure, perhaps it would > be better to ask if she would be willing to give a presentation at the > more open Kernel Summit track during the LPC? > > It would appear that it's fairly early days for her work, from doing > some web searching, the only thing I could really find was her 2019 > Open Source Leadership Summit presentations (slides here[1]) and the > more formal academic paper[2]. > > [1] > https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/OSS_Summit_= Presentation.pdf > [2] http://mcis.polymtl.ca/publications/2019/SEMotion_2019.pdf > > As near as I can tell the talk was not video recorded; which is a > shame, since I wasn't able to pick up from the slide presentation the > same kind of excitement that you clearly have over her work. I was > also very confused about how cregit (which analyzes code) mentioned in > the last two slides relates to the work described in the first 80% of > the slide deck, which appears to be analyzing mailing list text. > > I'd also think that if the goal is to have a conversation about > communication styles, having that discussion with a wider circle might > be more productive. Or did you have something in mind about some > decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit? > > - Ted > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss > --0000000000003f5b2e058a25f898 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd be interested to know how this compares to Dawn F= oster's work that was presented last year:=C2=A0https://ossna18.sched.com/event/FAON/kernel-mailing-list-c= ollaboration-dawn-m-foster-the-scale-factory

On Thu., May 30, 2019, 22:1= 5 Theodore Ts'o, <tytso@mit.edu= > wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at= 04:19:20PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote:
> We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? Ho= w
> effective are we in communicating with each other?
>
> I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to=
> get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we > could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or n= ot
> we talk in code while we talk code.
>
> We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Compute= r
> Engineering, Polytechnique Montr=C3=A9al to tell us about Sentimine, > which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing > communication in open source communities. It will include a short surv= ey
> focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception.

Hi Shuah,

If the goal is to get Isabella's ideas more exposure, perhaps it would<= br> be better to ask if she would be willing to give a presentation at the
more open Kernel Summit track during the LPC?

It would appear that it's fairly early days for her work, from doing some web searching, the only thing I could really find was her 2019
Open Source Leadership Summit presentations (slides here[1]) and the
more formal academic paper[2].

[1] https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/OSS_Summi= t_Presentation.pdf
[2] http://mcis.polymtl.ca/publ= ications/2019/SEMotion_2019.pdf

As near as I can tell the talk was not video recorded; which is a
shame, since I wasn't able to pick up from the slide presentation the same kind of excitement that you clearly have over her work.=C2=A0 I was also very confused about how cregit (which analyzes code) mentioned in
the last two slides relates to the work described in the first 80% of
the slide deck, which appears to be analyzing mailing list text.

I'd also think that if the goal is to have a conversation about
communication styles, having that discussion with a wider circle might
be more productive.=C2=A0 Or did you have something in mind about some
decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Ted
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