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From: Ventura Jack <venturajack85@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Martin Uecker <uecker@tugraz.at>, Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de>,
	 "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	 Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	airlied@gmail.com,  boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	david.laight.linux@gmail.com, ej@inai.de,
	 gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, hch@infradead.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	 ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: C aggregate passing (Rust kernel policy)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 11:00:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFJgqgTkzb3MeQrkbkd7Kuw0_JGs7VFj2xJuBaKTpYgt40fTJw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjqmHD-3QQ_9o4hrkhH57pTs3c1zuU0EdXYW23Vo0KTmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:52 PM Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> So "safe rust" should generally not be impacted, and you can make the
> very true argument that safe rust can be optimized more aggressively
> and migth be faster than unsafe rust.
>
> And I think that should be seen as a feature, and as a basic tenet of
> safe vs unsafe. A compiler *should* be able to do better when it
> understands the code fully.

For safe Rust and unsafe Rust, practice is in some cases the reverse.

Like how some safe Rust code uses runtime bounds checking,
and unsafe Rust code enables using unsafe-but-faster alternatives.

    https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.slice.html#method.get_unchecked
    https://users.rust-lang.org/t/if-a-project-is-built-in-release-mode-are-there-any-runtime-checks-enabled-by-default/51349

Safe Rust can sometimes have automated optimizations done
by the compiler. This sometimes is done, for instance to do
autovectorization as I understand it. Some Rust libraries
for decoding images have achieved comparable performance
to Wuffs that way. But, some Rust developers have complained
that in their projects, that sometimes, in one rustc compiler
version they get autovectorization and good performance,
but after they upgraded compiler version, the optimization
was no longer done by the compiler, and performance suffered
from it.

Best, VJ.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-27 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-22 10:06 Ventura Jack
2025-02-22 14:15 ` Gary Guo
2025-02-22 15:03   ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-22 18:54     ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 19:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22 20:00         ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 20:54           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-22 21:22             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 21:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22 22:34                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 23:56                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-22 22:12               ` David Laight
2025-02-22 22:46                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 23:50               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-23  0:06                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 21:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-23 15:30         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-23 16:28           ` David Laight
2025-02-24  0:27           ` Gary Guo
2025-02-24  9:57             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-24 10:31               ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 12:21                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-24 12:47                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 16:57                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-24 22:03                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 23:04                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-25 22:38                           ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-25 22:47                             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-25 23:03                               ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 12:58           ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-24 14:47             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 14:54               ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 16:42                 ` Philip Herron
2025-02-25 15:55                   ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-25 17:30                     ` Arthur Cohen
2025-02-26 11:38               ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-24 15:43             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 17:24               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-25 16:12           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-02-25 17:21             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-25 17:36               ` Alice Ryhl
2025-02-25 18:16                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 20:21                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-25 20:37                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-26 13:03                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 13:53                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 14:07                         ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 14:26                         ` James Bottomley
2025-02-26 14:37                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 14:39                           ` Greg KH
2025-02-26 14:45                             ` James Bottomley
2025-02-26 16:00                               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 16:42                                 ` James Bottomley
2025-02-26 16:47                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 16:57                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 17:41                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 17:47                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 22:07                                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-02 12:19                                           ` David Laight
2025-02-26 17:11                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 17:42                             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 12:36                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 13:52                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 15:21                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 16:06                       ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 17:49                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 18:36                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 14:14                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 15:40                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 16:10                       ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 16:50                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 21:39                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 15:11                             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 15:32                               ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-25 18:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 19:47               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-25 20:25                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 20:55                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-25 21:24                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 23:34                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 11:57                         ` Gary Guo
2025-02-27 14:43                           ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 14:26                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-25 22:45                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26  0:05                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-25 22:42                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 14:01                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 13:54               ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 17:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 19:01                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-26 20:00                   ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-26 21:14                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 21:21                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 22:54                         ` David Laight
2025-02-27  0:35                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-26 21:26                       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 21:37                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 21:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 21:56                           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 22:13                             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 22:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 22:35                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-26 23:18                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 23:28                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-27  0:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-27 20:47                                   ` David Laight
2025-02-27 21:33                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-28 21:29                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 21:41                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 22:20                                       ` David Laight
2025-02-27 22:40                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-28  7:44                                     ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-28 15:41                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-28 15:46                                         ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-28 16:04                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-28 16:13                                             ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-28 16:21                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-28 16:40                                                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-04 18:12                                         ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 22:27                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 23:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-27  0:17                           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-27  0:26                           ` comex
2025-02-27 18:33                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 19:15                             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-27 19:55                               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-27 20:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-28  7:53                               ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-06 19:16                           ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27  4:18                       ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-27  5:52                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-27  6:56                           ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-27 14:29                             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-27 17:35                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 18:13                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-27 19:10                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 18:00                           ` Ventura Jack [this message]
2025-02-27 18:44                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 14:21                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 15:27                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-28  8:08                     ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-28  8:32                       ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-26 20:25                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 20:34                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-02-26 22:45                   ` David Laight
2025-02-22 19:41       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-22 20:49         ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-26 11:34           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 14:57             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 16:32               ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 18:09                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 22:28                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 23:08                     ` David Laight
2025-02-27 13:55                       ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 17:33                     ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 17:58                       ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 19:06                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 19:45                           ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-27 20:22                             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-27 22:18                               ` David Laight
2025-02-27 23:18                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-28  7:38                                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-28 20:48                                   ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-28 20:41                             ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-28 22:13                               ` Geoffrey Thomas
2025-03-01 14:19                                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-03-04 18:24                               ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-06 18:49                                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-27 17:58                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-27 19:25                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-26 19:07                 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-26 19:23                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-02-26 20:22                     ` Martin Uecker
     [not found] <CAFJgqgRZ1w0ONj2wbcczx2=boXYHoLOd=-ke7tHGBAcifSfPUw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-02-25 15:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 16:45   ` Ventura Jack
     [not found] <CANiq72m-R0tOakf=j7BZ78jDHdy=9-fvZbAT8j91Je2Bxy0sFg@mail.gmail.com>
2025-02-18 16:08 ` Rust kernel policy Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-18 18:46   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-18 21:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-18 22:54       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-19  0:58         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-19  3:04           ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-19  5:39             ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 12:28               ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-20 12:37                 ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 13:23                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 15:17                     ` C aggregate passing (Rust kernel policy) Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-20 16:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-20 20:34                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-21  8:31                       ` HUANG Zhaobin
2025-02-21 18:34                       ` David Laight
2025-02-21 19:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 20:07                           ` comex
2025-02-21 21:45                           ` David Laight
2025-02-22  6:32                             ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22  6:37                               ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22  8:41                                 ` David Laight
2025-02-22  9:11                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-21 20:06                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-21 20:23                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-21 20:24                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-21 22:02                             ` David Laight
2025-02-21 22:13                               ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-22  5:56                                 ` comex
2025-02-21 20:26                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 22:19                             ` henrychurchill
2025-02-21 22:52                             ` henrychurchill

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