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From: Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Pull network and Patch Acceptance Consistency
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:21:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAErSpo661k-BSy=LF0kWEyvX-2pNJVCtrsP729MmErTr-hspPQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAErSpo5WVP_7t_LDBbaJ7bHc_MgkpV=1KYsQx_zULKkjQf3azA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 2:53 PM Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:49 AM James Bottomley
> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>
> > 2) Patch Acceptance Consistency: At the moment, we have very different
> > acceptance criteria for patches into the various maintainer trees.
> > Some of these differences are due to deeply held stylistic beliefs, but
> > some could be more streamlined to give a more consistent experience to
> > beginners who end up doing batch fixes which cross trees and end up
> > more confused than anything else.  I'm not proposing to try and unify
> > our entire submission process, because that would never fly, but I was
> > thinking we could get a few sample maintainer trees to give their
> > criteria and then see if we could get any streamlining.  For instance,
> > SCSI has a fairly weak "match the current driver" style requirement, a
> > reasonably strong get someone else to review it requirement and the
> > usual good change log and one patch per substantive change requirement.
> >  Other subsystems look similar without the review requirement, some
> > have very strict stylistic requirements (reverse christmas tree, one
> > variable definition per line, etc).  As I said, the goal wouldn't be to
> >  beat up on the unusual requirements but to see if we could agree some
> > global baselines that would at least make submission more uniform.
>
> The "when in Rome" rule (follow local conventions) would cover a large
> fraction of the style issues without requiring global uniformity or
> even documentation.  I'm amazed at how often it is ignored.

I should have expanded this a little.  Somebody pointed out to me off-list that:

| I'm NOT amazed at how often undocumented, strange, local style
|  (and submission and timing) conventions are not followed by new or
| drive-by contributors to a sub-system.  How would one expect local
| conventions to be followed by newbies when they conventions
| are undocumented?

| Many sub-systems have mixed styles. In the past I've wished for
| documentation as simple as: 'file xyz.c is representative
| of the preferred style for this sub-system'.

What I meant was that we should follow the indentation, comment,
declaration, etc. style of the existing code in the same file.  We
should also look at the git history of the file and follow the style
of subject lines and commit logs.

Even if a subsystem has mixed styles, I think the most important rule
is that each file should be internally consistent.  If we want to
unify subsystem style, that's even better, but we should do that with
subsystem-wide patches that specifically improve consistency, not
incrementally as a by-product of other patches.

I'm not necessarily opposed to documenting coding styles, although I
think per-subsystem coding style rules might a little bit onerous to
submitters.  If we pay attention to the surrounding code and commit
history, we can produce good style even without a style guide.

Bjorn

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-14 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06 15:48 James Bottomley
2019-06-06 15:58 ` Greg KH
2019-06-06 16:24   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 13:59     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 10:12       ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 13:24         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 13:31           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 13:54             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 14:08               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 14:56             ` Mark Brown
2019-06-14 13:58           ` Greg KH
2019-06-14 15:11             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 15:23               ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14 15:43                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 15:49                   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14 16:04                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 16:16                       ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14 17:48                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17  7:01                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-17 13:31                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 14:26                               ` Takashi Iwai
2019-06-19  7:53                               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-19  8:13                                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [kbuild] " Philip Li
2019-06-19  8:33                                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Daniel Vetter
2019-06-19 14:39                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-19 14:48                                     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [media-submaintainers] " Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-19 15:19                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-19 15:46                                       ` James Bottomley
2019-06-19 16:23                                         ` Mark Brown
2019-06-20 12:24                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-20 10:36                                         ` Jani Nikula
2019-06-19 15:56                                       ` Mark Brown
2019-06-19 16:09                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-15 10:55                         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Daniel Vetter
2019-06-14 20:52               ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-06-15 11:01               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-17 11:03                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 12:28                   ` Mark Brown
2019-06-17 16:48                     ` Tim.Bird
2019-06-17 17:23                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-17 23:13                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 14:18                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-06 16:29   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-06 18:26     ` Dan Williams
2019-06-07 20:14       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 13:49         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 14:35           ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:03             ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 15:21               ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-13 15:27                 ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:35                 ` Guenter Roeck
2019-06-13 15:39                   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-14 11:53                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-06-14 17:06                       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-15  7:20                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-06-13 15:39                   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:42                   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-06-13 19:28               ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14  9:08               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-14  9:43               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-14 13:27               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-13 17:27             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 18:41               ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 19:11                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 19:20                   ` Joe Perches
2019-06-14  2:21                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 19:57                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 14:53           ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 17:09             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14  3:03               ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-14  3:35                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14  7:31                 ` Joe Perches
2019-06-13 13:28       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-06 16:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-14 19:53 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-06-14 23:21   ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2019-06-17 10:35     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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