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[209.85.214.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-29034f08de5sm174028555ad.83.2025.10.14.13.24.11 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-f180.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-27d2c35c459so41250915ad.0 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXIcMSk7C9LLmq6A5bCCgcpDuHJ3P0ZjM3I+F2I8BplltUUy/mrDkRkkjB84Ow8HsRlaK0IEpk5@lists.linux.dev X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:440f:b0:290:5601:9d56 with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-29056019f53mr171601375ad.46.1760473451010; Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6b188d9e-3d47-4a30-8452-3e57e09cf8e3@efficios.com> <8572506ccdaa6211e177d5976a74737268486492.camel@sipsolutions.net> In-Reply-To: <8572506ccdaa6211e177d5976a74737268486492.camel@sipsolutions.net> From: Doug Anderson Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:23:59 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AS18NWBuoSElN3u5buSosa6mBtYLWaI_y0Gx-UIfHjC_5m37xvutJet-a3TEtnc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers To: Johannes Berg Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers , James Bottomley , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 12:13=E2=80=AFPM Johannes Berg wrote: > > And we're taking it away because literally *one* person thinks that it > adds irrelevant noise. > > [1] Sure, they can use 'b4 dig' if you pretend they all already know to > use it. > > > > But seriously, why is this such a big thing? Linus is, in general, > asking literally everyone else much much more to suit his ways in the > kernel than "don't click the link if it starts with patch.msgid.link" Right. I think this is why it bothers me so much. There are so many people that are so passionate about wanting to keep the existing "Link:" tag usage. ...and these are senior people who have been contributing for years. "b4 dig" is nice and I'm happy it's being created, but it still seems like it's not as good at some workflows and adds needless imprecision/heuristics/AI when a "Link:" tag would be precise. It seems weird to discount all the senior people who find the existing use of the "Link:" tag valuable when those that don't find it valuable could just ignore it. "Doctor, it pains me when I click on the Link tag, what should I do?" Answer: don't click on the "Link:" tag. -Doug