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[209.85.215.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 98e67ed59e1d1-33b626403desm13098354a91.7.2025.10.13.13.34.18 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Oct 2025 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg1-f180.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-b67ae7e76abso1469144a12.3 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2025 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWH/13BZEdEPtfOa1ANmvirZlDdu1vrOzjwANu1E1F9Zb9dm6WkF+LePEpcWSvaokAZ3tqtymNO@lists.linux.dev X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:2a8c:b0:290:78b2:675 with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-29078b20b87mr9628855ad.41.1760387657548; Mon, 13 Oct 2025 13:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20251013133913.015f253b@gandalf.local.home> <20251013175031.GJ354523@mit.edu> <7EE2713D-7612-4EAC-9E4E-225A92FEC9D3@zytor.com> In-Reply-To: From: Doug Anderson Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 13:34:05 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AS18NWAPRsrWn-aIbjhvPb225lTn4hvzzD2saDZZv1NwVCJfaRZRj2biCqCKr2c Message-ID: Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers To: Linus Torvalds Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" , "Theodore Ts'o" , Steven Rostedt , James Bottomley , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 12:20=E2=80=AFPM Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 at 12:07, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > > > This was the *original* definition that I proposed, which was vetoed by= Linus because it didn't provide a clickable experience. > > Yeah., I still don't believe that Message-ID is any better than a link. > > And the only believable argument *for* this all is the "one-click experie= nce". > > Because I still believe that "if you use tools, then 'b4 dig' is > better than *any* pointless tag that just is entirely redundant and > only cuts down on the available information". > > So the one-click argument actually resonates with me, even if that is > very obviously not the workflow I use. At least I *understand* that > argument. > > All the other arguments seem just disingenuous in that they literally > give less useful information than "b4 dig" does. Wow, I hadn't heard of "b4 dig" and it doesn't appear to have landed yet. ...but I searched and it was easy to find a reference. I'll check it out. Oh, it's using AI. I guess my suggestion that we should use AI to solve this problem was more on point than I realized. ;-) ;-) ;-) OK, I found Sasha's RFC [1]. The first thing I note is that "b4 dig" takes a Message-Id as an argument. So now I'm confused. I must be misunderstanding the problem we're trying to solve with the "Link:" tag?! >From how I've used it, the "Link" tag allows you to start with a commit hash in Linux and then go from there to a mailing list post (and/or Message-Id). ...and then it was suggested that we don't need a "Link" tag (or anything containing "Message-Id") because "b4 dig" solves the problem. ...but then "b4 dig" needs a Message-Id to work? Eh? [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250909163214.3241191-1-sashal@kernel.org/ -Doug